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Missokyst -> Spankings LOL (6/23/2013 10:02:18 PM)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/christian-domestic-discipline-spanking-jesus-marriage_n_3479646.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Christian Domestic Discipline Promotes Spanking Wives To Maintain Biblical Marriage

When a follower of the Christian Domestic Discipline movement decides what to hit his God-fearing wife with, research is important. A hairbrush, for example, is "excellent for achieving the desired sting" but can break easily. Alternatively, a ping pong paddle is quiet and sturdy but may not sting as much as is required to get the message across.

These bits of information are among the tips and tricks detailed in the Beginning Domestic Discipline's "Beginner's Packet," a 54-page document that lays out the basic principles and practices of CDD.

The packet's writers describe the movement as follows:



Domestic discipline is the practice between two consenting life partners in which the head of the household (HoH) takes he necessary measures to achieve a healthy relationship dynamic; the necessary measure to create a healthy home environmental and the necessary measures to protect all members of the family from dangerous or detrimental outcomes by punishing the contributing, and thus unwanted, behaviors for the greater good of the family.

CDD is a lifestyle in which spanking and other punishments (loss of privileges, time outs, etc.) are used to maintain an orderly, Christian household, according to christiandomesticdiscipline.com. The man is dominant, and the wife is submissive, as detailed in the Bible, the site explains.

These explanations are at odds with what some outsiders might dismiss as an offshoot of the BDSM community, in which spanking and other punishments are used erotically as a way to achieve sexual satisfaction. But as the private Yahoo! group Christian Domestic Discipline notes, "This is not a typical "spank" site. We are NOT a dating service, a list for personal ads, bratting, erotic stories, or alternate lifestyles."

While CDD community forums and sites have existed for years, the community was recently thrust into the spotlight following a piece in the Daily Beast. The article, which estimates there are several thousand CDD adherents, includes interviews with Chelsea and Clint, the authors of the Beginning Domestic Discipline "Beginner's Packet."

Clint and Chelsea (as well as the testimonies of other couples found on CDD forums) appear to portray CDD as a positive lifestyle choice made between consenting adults. XOJane blogger Laura Rubino, too, notes that during her own investigation of the community, most posts from the women are positive.

"Many of them report feeling extremely calm and relaxed after being disciplined, and believe it is an expression of their husband caring about them and their marriage, enough to help them modify their behaviour," Rubino writes. "After the spanking, they are granted a clean slate. They don’t need to endure the days of tension and shittiness that can follow an argument unresolved through discipline."

However, Rubino is not without grave reservations (as is Jezebel's Callie Beusman), and the Daily Beast uncovered evidence that some women feel trapped and even frightened by what their home life has become.

“No fool in his right mind would buy this as a legitimate way to have a relationship,” Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who is an expert on Christian domestic abuse, told the Daily Beast. “A relationship that infantilizes a woman is one that clearly draws a more pathological group of people.”

The community's stated basis in Christianity is also murky, according to some.

Bryan Fischer, a controversial conservative Christian radio host, has claimed in the past that the Bible teaches Christians that men are the breadwinners and heads of the household, but when reached by The Huffington Post, Fischer dismissed any connection between the Bible and the basic principles of CDD.

"This is a horrifying trend -- bizarre, twisted, unbiblical and un-Christian," Fischer, a former pastor, said in an email. "Christian husbands are taught to lay down their lives for their wives (Ephesians 5:25) and to treat them with honor as fellow-heirs of the gift of eternal life (1 Peter 3:7)."

"God in the New Testament clearly asks wives to arrange themselves under the leadership of their husbands (in Greek, the word “submit” means “to arrange under”)," Fischer continued. "But there is no place where husbands are instructed to make their wives do it or punish them if they don’t."

In 2009, Jennifer Macon-Steele wrote a column for Yahoo! Voices that suggested CDD was a growing trend among some conservative Christians in the United States. Acknowledging the questions and criticisms leveled at the lifestyle, she said CDD practitioners she had spoken with looked at it as an extension of their spirituality.

"They argue that they deserve to practice their religion in any way they see fit and to interpret the Bible in their own way. They also make it clear that women in these relationships have accepted and consented to the discipline," Macon-Steele wrote, concluding, however, that "the answers to the questions surrounding this lifestyle remain unclear... the effects of this remain to be seen."





kiwisub12 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 3:59:32 AM)

For me, for non-kinky people to do this is sick. If I was the woman, I would be furious if my husband spanked me to discipline me - UNLESS I had the same privilege.




Level -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 6:14:02 AM)

I would bet a lot of them ARE kinky, whether they identified as such or not.

And it does seem to be consenual domination and submission.




thishereboi -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 6:31:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

For me, for non-kinky people to do this is sick. If I was the woman, I would be furious if my husband spanked me to discipline me - UNLESS I had the same privilege.



So it's ok to have a punishment dynamic as long as you also id as kinky? and how much kink do they need in their lives for you to consider it ok? It seems like I remember a few people on here who don't get into the s and m part of this lifestyle but are very big on discipline and punishing their partner if they don't do as told. Is that ok or do they make you sick also? Is your real problem with this is that they are not kinky or that they are christian?




jlf1961 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 6:40:24 AM)

The bible and other ancient cultures make a few things clear...

1) the male is the head of the household.

2) if the wife steps out of line or fails to follow the moral guidelines established by the holy word of whatever deity you believe in, then she should be punished, either by spankings, paddling, or being forced to eat creamed spinach and brussel sprout soup, with ghost chili puree to thicken it.

3) as was clearly established in earlier human cultures, women were property. Somehow, probably through centuries of nagging, men decided to change that. Big mistake, ever since that was done their have been massive wars, natural disasters of unprecedented scale, and strange cultural glitches (like Disco.)

In case anyone has not grasped the concept of sarcasm, it is being used in the above statements.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 7:13:12 AM)

Jeff, I like brussel sprouts, just not chili peppers...

But a "legal" precedence for punishing your wife...how about the man gets punished first? I vote for that...




jlf1961 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 7:18:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

Jeff, I like brussel sprouts, just not chili peppers...

But a "legal" precedence for punishing your wife...how about the man gets punished first? I vote for that...



Shahar, it is a proven fact that the males of the human species are infallible since they are ruled by logic and have higher brain capabilities...

Women are ruled by chaotic emotions, and therefore prone to misbehavior and making huge mistakes.

Just ask any ancient Greek, or read some of the works by Greek Philosophers.




ShaharThorne -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 7:23:20 AM)

All males...they probably did not have wives, just slaves and servants.




jlf1961 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 7:33:11 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

All males...they probably did not have wives, just slaves and servants.


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Since I have been divorced four times, and followed the modern society code of marriage rules, I can only think that if I had followed the prescribed method as advocated by the ancient Greeks I would have been more successful in my relationships.




MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 7:52:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

For me, for non-kinky people to do this is sick. If I was the woman, I would be furious if my husband spanked me to discipline me - UNLESS I had the same privilege.


Yes, trust Me, there would be none of that bullshit here, and this is how I feel about the whole thing, regarding "vanilla", "religious" husbands engaging in this behavior :
“No fool in his right mind would buy this as a legitimate way to have a relationship,” Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who is an expert on Christian domestic abuse, told the Daily Beast. “A relationship that infantilizes a woman is one that clearly draws a more pathological group of people.”

And the whole thing echoes of the old "marriage vows equals implied consent" type laws, where until the late 1980's a husband had the right to even rape his wife (until a much-publicized case where a husband violently raped his wife in front of the couple's toddler and the public outcry caused the laws to be changed).




ARIES83 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 8:01:41 AM)

I think spanking a grown woman over a knee, smacks of funishment.
But... A marrage system with clearly defined dominant and submissive roles, clear expecations and consequences... I can't see a problamo




LadyPact -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 8:09:16 AM)

quote:

"After the spanking, they are granted a clean slate. They don’t need to endure the days of tension and shittiness that can follow an argument unresolved through discipline."


Did anybody else find it particularly amusing that anybody trying to speak from a Christian standpoint of a biblical way of life would use the term "shittiness"? I wonder if any of the females got punished for that.




muhly22222 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 8:27:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

All males...they probably did not have wives, just slaves and servants.


I think most of them had wives. Not that there was a lot of difference between the two, of course, given that a married woman was not to be seen by men she wasn't related to, and therefore never left the inner part of the house (because in the public part, another man visiting her husband on business or for...pleasure...might see her).




ARIES83 -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 8:37:13 AM)

Seems pretty tame...
Most of that article is amusing.




Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 8:50:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

For me, for non-kinky people to do this is sick. If I was the woman, I would be furious if my husband spanked me to discipline me - UNLESS I had the same privilege.



Yeah, I read one woman talking about it. She was terrified of what her husband would do to her when he found out she made a 20 dollar mistake in the checkbook since she was in pain for days when she did not have the house spotless when he got home from work a few days ago. That woman's story seemed more abusive to me.

quote:

I would bet a lot of them ARE kinky, whether they identified as such or not.

And it does seem to be consenual domination and submission.


Yep. :)




Hillwilliam -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 9:09:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne



But a "legal" precedence for punishing your wife...how about the man gets punished first? I vote for that...

Isn't saying "I Do" punishment enough?




Missokyst -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 9:12:34 AM)

oh HELL YES.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Isn't saying "I Do" punishment enough?





Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 9:12:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne



But a "legal" precedence for punishing your wife...how about the man gets punished first? I vote for that...

Isn't saying "I Do" punishment enough?


ROFL. I have seen way too many guys where this was so true. Kinda sad really. I nearly told one guy to grow a pair when his wife was telling him he could not go out that night with his friends and he was all dissapointed that he could not go.




nephandi -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 10:04:37 AM)

Greetings

quote:

For me, for non-kinky people to do this is sick. If I was the woman, I would be furious if my husband spanked me to discipline me - UNLESS I had the same privilege.


Why is this sick to you when both parties are consensual? I am 100 percent against domestic abuse, but if both parties want this for their relationship what is the problem if they do it for religious rather than for kinky reasons?

I wish you well




nephandi -> RE: Spankings LOL (6/24/2013 10:15:52 AM)

Greetings

quote:

Yes, trust Me, there would be none of that bullshit here, and this is how I feel about the whole thing, regarding "vanilla", "religious" husbands engaging in this behavior :
“No fool in his right mind would buy this as a legitimate way to have a relationship,” Jim Alsdurf, a forensic psychologist who is an expert on Christian domestic abuse, told the Daily Beast. “A relationship that infantilizes a woman is one that clearly draws a more pathological group of people.”


So since Aswad get sexual pleasure from spanking me, that is okey all is well me and him are having a healthy relationship, but if all we got was religious satisfaction then that would not be a legitimate way to have a relationship? Who give you the right to judge what is and what is a legitimate relationship for others? I mean as long as everyone is consensual who cares the reasons why they do this. If a man and a woman think their lives are enhanced by the husband ruling the household and having the option to send his wife to time out and spank her for wrong doings, as long as the wife also like this what is the problem?

I wonder what this wonder doctor you are quoting above would think about us kinky folks and especially TPE and 24/7 folks. I mean seriously as long as everyone involved are consensual, what is the problem?

Also is kink magick? I mean me and Aswad are Goreans and when I was his slave he could punish me, though I never gave him cause to do so. I mean most Goreans are not kinky we just have a patriarchal lifestyle and I guess that is not a legitimate way to have a relationship either, but since me and Aswad is also kinky all is well for kink is magick, or is it that these people do what they do for religious reasons that get your panties in a bunch? I mean as long as they do not involving anyone who are not consensual, why do you care how they practice their religion? It is not for you and that is fine, but different folks have different desires and needs and what is not for your might be just right for someone else.

I wish you well




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