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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 10:56:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thats why I am waiting for my not so learned friend to post a 1625 Proclomation. It best have been before March.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 11:01:39 AM   
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Thats why I am waiting for my not so learned friend to post a 1625 Proclomation. It best have been before March.



Surely JimmyOne writ one.

It read:


I am dead, you great bleeding cloth-eared bints.


/s/ Jimmy.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 11:07:35 AM   
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Any luck finding James I 1625 Proclomation yet ?




As a Tory, you should have a copy of this former ruler's noble proclamation framed in your front room and displayed with pride. So what would you pay for a copy?


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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 11:08:26 AM   
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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 12:08:42 PM   
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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 12:29:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is correct, there is no doubt that such a proclamation would be a forgery, the existance of a book on his proclamations doesnt mean he made on in 1625, unless you can show us them. The proclamation you seek in 1625 is of John II.

I have a proof that cement is lighter than air, but have lost the actual citation, so there is your proof.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 12:37:11 PM   
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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 3:19:23 PM   
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Well said.


Thanks.

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We don't have a problem with the Muslim religion, we have a problem *in* the muslim religion. Perhaps that sums it up. I think your post is fairly accurate Aswad, although with my study of history I am not as sanguine as you about the ease of assimilation.


It's not tied to Islam at all. We have the same problem with Somali Christians as with Somali Muslims, for instance.

As for assimilation, the bulk of our problem is that we've gone for a fairly high rate of- for lack of a better word- import. In a country of five million, we expect this decade to bring a million immigrants, without a good strategy for integration, and without any system of tiered citizenship or requirements of citizenship. These people clearly want to be here, and we could easily have required them to learn the language at minimum (or, failing that, English), but instead we have nothing other than our intensely homogenizing school system to do it (which breaks down when ethnic Europeans are a minority in many schools in the capital, for instance). Also, it's not kosher to single out problematic countries.

Slow down the stream to a trickle from the countries we have a problem with, and what we have will suffice.

Keep the current rate, and we're looking at the same problems Sweden has: no-go zones (we already have some, but they haven't yet reached the level that police refuse to go there), decaying zones (we're starting to see this in areas with immigrant majority populations, where the ethnic Europeans that have options choose to leave, and the ones left lack an interest in maintaining the community), and riots (that will take a while, but the seeds are there). That, unfortunately, is the current policy of the Labor Party.

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I certainly know that what I say will not be well accepted - and I will probably be labelled racist for not believing that all races are identical even though the proof is self evident and before our eyes.


Plenty of assertions can be made about different groups, but they tend to be at a statistical level, shifts in peaks, clustered points, that sort of thing.

I'm more concerned with individual merit than with nuancing collectivism to a tolerable margin of error.

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I don't see anything to make me more optimistic. In fact I am quite a great deal more pessimistic.


I didn't say I was optimistic. The Labor Party has a proven, crap track record of dealing with problems, of any sort.

I said the problem we're talking about isn't among the harder ones facing us.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 3:52:07 PM   
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Any luck finding James I 1625 Proclomation yet ?




As a Tory, you should have a copy of this former ruler's noble proclamation framed in your front room and displayed with pride. So what would you pay for a copy?




Indeed, James I was obviously a Tory grandee, according to your convoluted thinking. Noted you cant find the document you claim exists.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 3:53:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just love some of the replies.
How people wriggle to be political correct.

First I had to spend 30 years of my life explaining why christianity is such a problem.
Now I have to explain again why islam is an even bigger problem?
Abrahamic religion has always been a big fuckin problem.
But keep saying abrahamic religion is not a problem, especially in times it rears it's ugly head again.

Listen again to this sentence, There is only one god and his name is allah.
At least the jews were smart and humble enough to say, we don't have a word for the one god cause it would never do god justice.
But then again you see some stupid jews saying yes we came up with a name it's Jahweh.
Always some mongrels have to fuck up a good thing.
One last thing the word islam means SUBMIT.
That should tell you enough what these people want.
Thats what every king or general wants, an army that submits.

So they can conquer foreign lands and submit them. No colonies, but total submission.
I've personally spoken with afghan, iranian and iraqi refugees. They cry for what islam has done to their culture and country.
We had the first refugee centre 500 meters from my ancestral home in Holland. I know the stories first hand my friends.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 3:53:37 PM   
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As for assimilation, the bulk of our problem is that we've gone for a fairly high rate of- for lack of a better word- import


There's no lack of a better word, Aswad: it's 'immigration'. I hope that helps.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 3:59:08 PM   
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I just love some of the replies.
How people wriggle to be political correct.

First I had to spend 30 years of my life explaining why christianity is such a problem.
Now I have to explain again why islam is an even bigger problem?
Abrahamic religion has always been a big fuckin problem.
But keep saying abrahamic religion is not a problem, especially in times it rears it's ugly head again.

Listen again to this sentence, There is only one god and his name is allah.
At least the jews were smart and humble enough to say, we don't have a word for the one god cause it would never do god justice.
But then again you see some stupid jews saying yes we came up with a name it's Jahweh.
Always some mongrels have to fuck up a good thing.
One last thing the word islam means SUBMIT.
That should tell you enough what these people want.
Thats what every king or general wants, an army that submits.

So they can conquer foreign lands and submit them. No colonies, but total submission.
I've personally spoken with afghan, iranian and iraqi refugees. They cry for what islam has done to their culture and country.
We had the first refugee centre 500 meters from my ancestral home in Holland. I know the stories first hand my friends.


Hell, Mr B, what's in it for you that you want to draw such a straight line between The Book - whatever that Book may be - and its supposed supporters? That doesn't work for the Bible, it doesn't work for Das Kapital and it doesn't work for the Koran, either. I can't see that you're ever going to go anywhere useful with that narrative.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:06:35 PM   
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There's no lack of a better word, Aswad: it's 'immigration'. I hope that helps.


I feel that it fails to convey an important aspect, namely that I'm referring to the rate at which we're accepting new immigrants.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:06:53 PM   
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In a country of five million, we expect this decade to bring a million immigrants, without a good strategy for integration


Just to add: that sentence has left me reeling. WTF? Your population increased by a sixth?

Wow.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:12:22 PM   
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There's no lack of a better word, Aswad: it's 'immigration'. I hope that helps.


I feel that it fails to convey an important aspect, namely that I'm referring to the rate at which we're accepting new immigrants.

IWYW,
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Well, see my last post. I'm getting that.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:18:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		What Brennus said to the romans when he sacked Rome.
"Because you wrote down the law, there is always a way to circumvent your truth and justice. That's why we don't write those things down. You cannot escape our laws."
aka the torah, the bible and the koran.

But I do see many usefull things. I see people dancing around the fire of perception and I will manipulate the flames.
I see the minds wandering in a wasteland to justify their wrought opinions.
Because they fear to judge others.
Not only god can judge you.
Commit a crime, get caught and realize people have to judge to maintain peace and justice.


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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:21:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		No offence meant, Mr B, but I haven't a frigging clue what you're talking about.

"But I do see many usefull things. I see people dancing around the fire of perception and I will manipulate the flames.
I see the minds wandering in a wasteland to justify their wrought opinions.
Because they fear to judge others.
Not only god can judge you.
Commit a crime, get caught and realize people have to judge to maintain peace and justice. "

May I just say that that's the most beautifully meaningless horseshit I've ever read on this forum?

< Message edited by PeonForHer -- 6/27/2013 4:27:29 PM >

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:43:47 PM   
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No offence meant, Mr B, but I haven't a frigging clue what you're talking about.

No offense, just read what Brennus said. And think what he really means.

Books of laws(moral) wich religious books basically are, are subject to failure.
That why there is constant adaption of lawbooks.
The abrahamic books are set in stone. There is no progress. It's always a travesty of god wichever way you look at them.

It colonizes rational thought into absurdity.
BOT(back on topic) I said the evil colonial west is better then the eastern colonial evils.
And I've seen that posters got it up to the point I wanted it.
Thanks Tweak for bringing this subject up loved it.



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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 4:58:16 PM   
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You getting it yet, your so called blog is suggesting a Catholic King was exploiting Catholics in order to help Protestants, You are fucking mad if you think thats true. Anyhow, good look on your next venture into Google.



Well, I agree with you polite that it didnt' happen. However its not without precedent. Richelieu did more or less what you just described - and while he wasn't the king he was the power behind the throne for quite a long time.

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RE: Evils of colonialism and 'post-colonialism'. - 6/27/2013 5:03:38 PM   
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You getting it yet, your so called blog is suggesting a Catholic King was exploiting Catholics in order to help Protestants, You are fucking mad if you think thats true. Anyhow, good look on your next venture into Google.



Well, I agree with you polite that it didnt' happen. However its not without precedent. Richelieu did more or less what you just described - and while he wasn't the king he was the power behind the throne for quite a long time.


James I believed in the absolute power of the monarchy. he instilled the same in his son, Charles I hence the English civil war.

James, having united the English and Scottish crown had designs on ruling the whole of the British Isles.

I am glad you spotted what was really going on.

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