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tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:30:10 PM)

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He is the perfect fit for the NEW Republican party... One of action and resolve not obstructionism.


Which is why I dont think he will get the nod. I have my personal opinions about him. But I am a Dem, so I will keep them out of my posts. I will just say that the "rabid right" isnt done yet... which, I feel, will be the downfall of the GOP once again.



kdsub -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:39:33 PM)

I have heard him speak on a number of occasions. I don’t align with much of his thinking... But... I do believe he is sincere in his beliefs and not like many Republican candidates who are just playing the religious right and ultra conservatives for votes.

This sincerity comes through in everything he says and will attract many moderates of both parties… In my opinion.

Butch



DomKen -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
And we can go back to the Bork conformation hearings.

Bork did not have the temperament to be a SCOTUS justice. Also his views on a range of issues were well outside the mainstream. His willing actions in the Saturday Night Massacre proved that. Always keep in mind that 6 Republican senators voted against his nomination. He simply wasn't a good nominee and his anger over being questioned on his writings and public statements only confirmed that.



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:43:39 PM)

Might want to take a look at the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Q3. Please think ahead now to the next Presidential in four years time, in 2016. If the 2016 Republican presidential
primaries were being held today, for whom of the following would you vote? (Asked of those who self-identified as
Republican or Independent, n=624)



kdsub -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:46:36 PM)

lol...why they are never right... Lets just wait and see how things play out in the future.

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:49:47 PM)

I agree, I dont put much stock in them across the board. But when its strictly one party or another, its enough to make me pause and start wondering. Christie, Ryan, Paul, Bush, Rubio all seem to be jockeying for position. Jindal isnt even in that pack.



BamaD -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:50:28 PM)

How does any of that make this thread about "the Republicans have to become Democrats or they are doomed. "?


I accept that this was not your premise but read the thread.
The Republicans have to go along with the Dems to survive.
I did not mean they had to flip but the consensus here is that they must become the same as Democrats because all Republicans are stupid and evil.
Again this is not intended as a reflection of your intent.



BamaD -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:52:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Might want to take a look at the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Q3. Please think ahead now to the next Presidential in four years time, in 2016. If the 2016 Republican presidential
primaries were being held today, for whom of the following would you vote? (Asked of those who self-identified as
Republican or Independent, n=624)

A 2016 Presidential poll now is worthless.
In 2005 it was a sure thing that Hillary would be the 2008 candidate.



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:53:46 PM)

Thank you. And its something I do not agree with, the premise. I feel a moderate Republican can put a Democrat in an extremely tight race.

But what are the chances of a moderate running? And, against Clinton if she decides to run.... its not looking good... maybe Christie, to be honest... possibly Ryan... I cant see the rest of them holding up to that race.



FrostedFlake -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:57:07 PM)

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KDsub
The Republican party is looking for someone not marred by the rabid partisan attacks of the past.


Ya think? Why then are they still up to it, now?



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 10:58:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Might want to take a look at the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Q3. Please think ahead now to the next Presidential in four years time, in 2016. If the 2016 Republican presidential
primaries were being held today, for whom of the following would you vote? (Asked of those who self-identified as
Republican or Independent, n=624)

A 2016 Presidential poll now is worthless.
In 2005 it was a sure thing that Hillary would be the 2008 candidate.


I didnt say who would win. Just who it is saying isnt likely to finish the primaries. Sure, it could change.



kdsub -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:07:20 PM)

There is a fight going on for the leadership of the Republican party just now. I can see and I'm sure you can too the slipping of support for the Tea Party fanaticism among the rank and file Republicans. You are hearing the last gasps of a dying movement. The winners will be the moderates I believe anyway.

Butch



BamaD -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:08:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Might want to take a look at the polls.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Q3. Please think ahead now to the next Presidential in four years time, in 2016. If the 2016 Republican presidential
primaries were being held today, for whom of the following would you vote? (Asked of those who self-identified as
Republican or Independent, n=624)

A 2016 Presidential poll now is worthless.
In 2005 it was a sure thing that Hillary would be the 2008 candidate.


I didnt say who would win. Just who it is saying isnt likely to finish the primaries. Sure, it could change.

I know you didn't was just pointing out their value.



littleclip -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:16:59 PM)

it dosent mater whowins unless your in the lead the view never changes (smelly arsehole)



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:17:46 PM)

Who will win.. or even run.. is still up in the air. I see those types of polls as the parties taking the temperature of their constituents at this point. If Christie doesnt win NJ, how will that affect his polls for Presidental run? Too many variables up in the air. I posted that poll based upon Butch's assertion that Jingal will draw many moderates from both parties. I dont see that happening unless conditions change. If Clinton runs, I dont see that happening at all.

Something interesting to note on the Dem side in that poll as well...

Between March and June....

Clinton 51% 40%
Biden 12% 13%

No one else is even close to those two... and we dont even know if Clinton is running yet.



kdsub -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:21:10 PM)

I do wonder about her health... and if Biden runs I am voting Republican...[:D] No way do I want that man as a President.

Butch



tazzygirl -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/24/2013 11:25:12 PM)

Scary proposition to be sure.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/25/2013 4:52:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I do wonder about her health... and if Biden runs I am voting Republican...[:D] No way do I want that man as a President.

Butch

A Dem version of Dan Quayle.



TAFKAA -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/25/2013 12:28:20 PM)

Chris Christie and Rand Paul are the only creditable mentions on that list.

Clinton isn't the WMD that Democrats think she is. A black President is one thing - a woman is quite another. And I doubt American men will be content with a woman as President.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Republicans who can save the party in 2016 (6/25/2013 12:33:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TAFKAA

Chris Christie and Rand Paul are the only creditable mentions on that list.

Clinton isn't the WMD that Democrats think she is. A black President is one thing - a woman is quite another. And I doubt American men will be content with a woman as President.

I'll agree with you on Christie but Paul is a bit out there.
The problem with Christie is he touched a Democrat and liked it once so now he has cooties and, even though I think he'd do a hell of a job, he'll be destroyed by his own party for lack of 'idealogical purity'.

Hillary (or anyone else the D side puts up) doesn't have to be good. They just have to be less odious than whatever Bible thumping batshit crazy nutbag the R side is sure to throw at them.



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