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And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 7:54:59 PM   
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Documents Show Liberals in I.R.S. Dragnet

WASHINGTON — The instructions that Internal Revenue Service officials used to look for applicants seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “Patriots” in their titles also included groups whose names included the words “Progressive” and “Occupy,” according to I.R.S. documents released Monday.

The documents appeared to back up contentions by I.R.S. officials and some Democrats that the agency did not intend to single out conservative groups for special scrutiny. Instead, the documents say, officials were trying to use “key word” shortcuts to find overtly political organizations — both liberal and conservative — that were after tax favors by saying they were social welfare organizations.

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Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 8:08:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fact of the matter is political groups are not eligible for tax exempt status while social welfare groups are. The "tea party" and "conservative" groups have been masking themselves, for years, as social welfare groups while most of their money has been going into political races. This past election, the IRS saw a huge increase in such organizations of all persuasions and refused to rubber stamp the applications for tax exempt status. We heard about the "tea party" and "conservative" groups first for 2 reasons: 1) they tend to complain the loudest when they don't get their way and 2) there were far more applications from the right wing.


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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 8:37:12 PM   
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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 8:41:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		The strange thing of it all is that the only people who were denied tax exempt status were a couple of liberal groups but it was the Conservatives doing all the whining.

Conservatives like to paint themselves as "manly" and they like to paint liberals as "namby pamby little tofu eating girly men" but NOBODY can outwhine a Neocon.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 9:47:36 PM   
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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 9:48:54 PM   
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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 10:07:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do wonder why Lois Lerner did not just tell the committee this...Now the Republicans will have every right to say the new revelations are a contrivance by the Obama administration...dumb as hell and it is suspicious under the circumstances.

If it is true and as reported the Republican tax-exempt groups far outnumbered the Democratic groups then that would explain in a fair keyword search why more Republican groups than Democratic ones were targeted. Why the hell not just tell it like it was...why all the secrecy and 5th amendments...there should have been nothing to incriminate anyone if the so called truth came out.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 10:08:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.



No new scandal, no new spin. Americans were being targeted by the IRS based on their political leanings. Actual liberals, the sort that don't change their values in accordance with the Daily Kos talking points of the day and the contortions necessary to keep President Obama's balls in their mouths, may be even more disgusted by the conduct of this administration than the Tea-types.



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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 10:23:50 PM   
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The strange thing of it all is that the only people who were denied tax exempt status were a couple of liberal groups but it was the Conservatives doing all the whining.


well,.. O'Reilly had a whole bunch of them conservative groups on his show, each telling their story.. some had waited 3 years for their tax exempt status to be approved (& are still waiting), some are suing also.. So, I guess it just depends on what "news" you get.. and no, i dont watch him/his channel very often, pretty rarely actually.. I just dont like watching the other news channels and hearing about the latest crime and who was killed and how, just too gory for me..

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/24/2013 10:46:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.



No new scandal, no new spin. Americans were being targeted by the IRS based on their political leanings. Actual liberals, the sort that don't change their values in accordance with the Daily Kos talking points of the day and the contortions necessary to keep President Obama's balls in their mouths, may be even more disgusted by the conduct of this administration than the Tea-types.



It's amazing how cons lose their love of the rule of law when they are the ones breaking them.

The simple fact is all these groups violate the clear black letter of the law. They only get approved because of a decades old "interpretation" of the law that actually completely changes what Congress intended.

The actual law
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Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/501

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 12:37:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		The IRS release is just spin.
Previous data reports show that the monitored groups were more than five times likely to be conservative. Several conservative groups reorganized with liberal names and got their exempt status in three weeks, without burdensome questionaires.

So no, Heretic, the issue here is the selective application of the laws (in the first place). And secondly ridiculous election-law whose primary intent is to protect incumbents.

And no, heretic, not all the groups violated the clear letter of the law. Many of the groups that you derided were solely organized for an educational basis. Which is a permitted activity for a c(4). They handed out copies of the US constitution and meetings for people to learn about the constitution. And while you may not like the results of that it is nonetheless a valid educational purpose.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 1:37:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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Documents Show Liberals in I.R.S. Dragnet

WASHINGTON — The instructions that Internal Revenue Service officials used to look for applicants seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “Patriots” in their titles also included groups whose names included the words “Progressive” and “Occupy,” according to I.R.S. documents released Monday.

The documents appeared to back up contentions by I.R.S. officials and some Democrats that the agency did not intend to single out conservative groups for special scrutiny. Instead, the documents say, officials were trying to use “key word” shortcuts to find overtly political organizations — both liberal and conservative — that were after tax favors by saying they were social welfare organizations.

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Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.



jlf, it looks like they targeted anyone who they disagreed with including any useful idiots who might have voted for them.
Do you really think "The Obama Administration" is going to actually "do" anything about the IRS?
President Pantload won't even talk about it or Bengazzi or the state dept mess or the NSA or about harrassing A.P. and Fox News reporters!
But I'm sure Pantload will tell you he believes in a "free press!"
You don't do the kind of stuff the IRS did unless someone at the top of the ladder told you to. Why would a "Rogue Agent" do something so dangerous and risk prison and termination?

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 2:19:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
It's amazing how cons lose their love of the rule of law when they are the ones breaking them.
The simple fact is all these groups violate the clear black letter of the law. They only get approved because of a decades old "interpretation" of the law that actually completely changes what Congress intended.


That's precisely what Conservatives have been complaining about for decades regarding Liberals and Progressives and their interpretations of the US Constitution.

Only when it doesn't support your cause, eh, Ken?


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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 5:10:47 AM   
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That's precisely what Conservatives have been complaining about for decades regarding Liberals and Progressives and their interpretations of the US Constitution.


Its been an ongoing process regardless of who is in power.... the other side is always complaining about the "interpretations of the US Constitution"

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 8:15:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.



No new scandal, no new spin. Americans were being targeted by the IRS based on their political leanings. Actual liberals, the sort that don't change their values in accordance with the Daily Kos talking points of the day and the contortions necessary to keep President Obama's balls in their mouths, may be even more disgusted by the conduct of this administration than the Tea-types.


the irs and in fact the whole government is a house of cards. should that ever become general knowledge the shit will indeed hit the fan in a big way. in fact that is why they need to listen to everyones phone conversations to use their media to inject as many red herrings as possible, keep everyone eye off that ball.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 8:24:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Yup the Obama administration is out to target conservative political groups.

Kind of puts a new spin on things.



No new scandal, no new spin. Americans were being targeted by the IRS based on their political leanings. Actual liberals, the sort that don't change their values in accordance with the Daily Kos talking points of the day and the contortions necessary to keep President Obama's balls in their mouths, may be even more disgusted by the conduct of this administration than the Tea-types.





I dont know, nutsuckers seem to have the entire franchise for that bit of business, and felching the corporations as well.

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 8:57:49 AM   
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Its the only thing the right is great at, I.mean they cant make a nation floating on oil wealth prosper, LOL!

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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 3:52:20 PM   
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Mnottertail must be a mod because he gets away with shit that gets others banned.


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RE: And yet another IRS scandal surfaces.... - 6/25/2013 4:04:36 PM   
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