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I did try to say that some of those links were aneqdotal. I am merely trying to point out that there are serious cases of voter intimidation and fraud going on, and that efforts to combat fraud are not necessarily to suppress the vote.
There are no documented cases of large scale vote fraud and the laws in question would do nothing to stop voter intimidation, they are actually simply a way to suppress the vote of disadvantaged people because those groups tend to vote for Democrats.
Simply not true. And I've previously provided the links for it. There are HUNDREDS of documented cases of fraud - from MN, to ohio, to philadelphi, to florida, totalling hundreds of thousands of votes.
128 counties in Ohio and Philadelphia where Romney received less than 1% of the vote. Republican poll watchers denied access to the polls in PA. Polling stations preloaded with votes.
Going back a bit in history - the famous butterfly election - thousands of hanging chads. I tried to generate hanging chads with that ballot. It was impossible to do - literally unless you stacked up 100 ballots and punched them all at the same time. Punched individually, (as you were by law supposed to do) I could not generate a single hanging chad in dozens of tries.
Even in the height of political landslides in brward county - about as democratic a place as you will find in the us - the ratio is never higher than 2.5 :1.
Wake up Ken. Those of us on my side aren't doing this to defraud an election. We just want our votes to count. We want people of all opinions to vote. I wouldn't mind bus service to the polls. I woulnd't mind having elections on saturday so more people could vote. No one I know wants to surpress voters from voting.
We just want precautions against fraud.
What you leave out is the other side of the equation,that the 'voter fraud' and voter id seems to be aimed at black and minority communities, and in lily white communities they don't enforce the rules. In black communities, if someone's name is misspelled or if they decide the person has the name similar to a known felon, they won't let them vote, in white communities, put your x on the paper and vote. What judges, both liberal and conservative, have found is many of these voter id laws require id that can be difficult for poor voters to have. It is kind of like the poll tests they had down south, supposedly to prove literacy enough to vote, that strangely enough, were only given to black voters.Are you saying that there is no voter fraud at all on the other side? That mysterious problems with voting machines, gee, only seem to happen in areas likely to vote democratic, or that 'poll watchers' seem only to be on duty in minority areas, whereas in white areas there literally are none allowed?
Yeah, it is really easy to claim that there are all these people out there that just love the GOP, that the only way the democrats win is because they cheat,which is a great excuse for the rabid right running the party not to change, they offer excuses, they claim the problem is Romney wasn't conservative enought, when the real problem is as a national party the GOP has become the party of crackpots, racists and far right wing ideology. The house is likely to shitcan immigration reform, which might fly well in the midwest and down south, but is going to kill them nationally. Even regionally the GOP is in trouble, the only reason they hold onto seats is they gerrymander districts that wouldn't pass muster except for the hard lines on Scotus who ideologically are using the bench to help keep the GOP in power, because otherwise, they violate the idea of one person, one vote, and give power to white minorities...the rural, southern GOP as it exists today exists in effect because of voter fraud, because they create districts that dilute minority and democratic leaning voters and leave the white trash in control..but it is going to fail, and then what? They can cry voter fraud all they want, but in my district, where GOP presidential candidates used to get 85-90% of the vote, the GOP barely polls half.....young people, minorities, those who are independent, all see the GOP as the party of angry, white, mostly southern and midwest, rural voters who are upset at the loss of 'their' America......the GOP wants to claim it is all voter fraud, but polls and surveys all show the same thing, the GOP is the white people's party, and more importantly, white people who are rapidly going to die off.
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