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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 8:58:26 AM   
cordeliasub


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As someone who actually works as a voter registrar and in elections in one of the affected states, I have read this thread with interest. I wish I could show you the crazy-ass map in our county that had to be done and redone and then you needed a PhD in geography to understand the damn thing because the lines were so wonky trying to make everything "fair." And then when people found out before the 2012 election they their voting precinct had changed (because every time there is a census it has to be redrawn and then federally approved....I got cursed out more than once and called racist for telling someone their new polling place was the armory instead of the fire station. Kinda ironic...being called racist for upholding an act that came into being to prevent racism.

And yeah, we caught a few people who had changed names and multiple registrations (they slipped through the cracks because they just re-registered instead of updating) trying to vote in more than one place. Also a couple who voted absentee trying to also go to the polls. Luckily there are enough checks and double and triple checks in place that they were caught.

What you are leaving out is the gerrymandering that is done to keep power in a particular party. In many places in the so called red states, the districts look like a balloon figure that had the air let out of it, it is so all over the place, and it is done to create districts that will vote GOP and keep the seat in the party. Happens all over the country, whichever party is in power rigs the districts to keep as any of their members in power by making the districts have majority voters likely to vote for them. Part of the proof of this is that in national elections, the GOP is losing ground, big time, and even with gerrymandering, it is getting harder and harder to keep their hegonomy. I think the voting rights act was idiotic in using data from 40 years ago, but I also think the process of gerrymandering should be looked at, whoever does it, because creating 'rotten' districts (i.e easy to hold onto) does not one any good, other than the parties. Among other things, it has created a congress full of loons who are full of crackpot theories, think they are on some divine mission, and have made congress into a joke, especially the house. John Boehner doesn't even look like a third rate used car salesman, I put him line with those guys doing infomercials that you can make a million dollars trading futures.....


Nice theory. In my county, the vote is ALWAYS Democrat. In fact, in local elections, even those who are Republican have to run under the Democratic ticket to get elected. And those handful of people who tried to vote multiple times? They weren't voting for Romney ;)

We can blame the GOP for everything and pigeonhole the south as the only racist segment of the country all we want....it doesn't make it true.

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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 1:54:59 PM   
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And all it takes is one person recognizing you....

penalty for voter fraud of up to a $15,000 fine and seven years in prison acts as a significant deterrent


All you have to do is get a list of voters. Preferably recently deceased. Now get a group of homeless, promise them each a bottle of wine, and tell them what name to use and to put an "X" in the Democrat box. Take your group from voting place to voting place, giving them a new name to use from your voting list. Who is going to recognize a person bigger city voting places?

With photo ID, gathering up ghost voters won't work. The pic has to look like the voter or you don't vote. A photo ID is required for just about anything today. Getting one is not a big deal. Absentee voting is ripe for fraud.

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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 2:00:22 PM   
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And all it takes is one person recognizing you....

penalty for voter fraud of up to a $15,000 fine and seven years in prison acts as a significant deterrent


All you have to do is get a list of voters. Preferably recently deceased. Now get a group of homeless, promise them each a bottle of wine, and tell them what name to use and to put an "X" in the Democrat box. Take your group from voting place to voting place, giving them a new name to use from your voting list. Who is going to recognize a person bigger city voting places?

With photo ID, gathering up ghost voters won't work. The pic has to look like the voter or you don't vote. A photo ID is required for just about anything today. Getting one is not a big deal. Absentee voting is ripe for fraud.


By the way, if they do pick up a homeless person for voter fraud, do you really think they will do much to them? Be real. We have seen people on TV bragging about voting for friends and neighbors and NOTHING happened.

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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 2:01:47 PM   
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LOLOLOL. And that is how you get fake IDs. And only republicans would pick drunks off the street and have them sign X. It takes more than an X to vote.

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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 2:42:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: papassion


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And all it takes is one person recognizing you....

penalty for voter fraud of up to a $15,000 fine and seven years in prison acts as a significant deterrent


All you have to do is get a list of voters. Preferably recently deceased. Now get a group of homeless, promise them each a bottle of wine, and tell them what name to use and to put an "X" in the Democrat box. Take your group from voting place to voting place, giving them a new name to use from your voting list. Who is going to recognize a person bigger city voting places?

With photo ID, gathering up ghost voters won't work. The pic has to look like the voter or you don't vote. A photo ID is required for just about anything today. Getting one is not a big deal. Absentee voting is ripe for fraud.

Have you never voted in your life?

Every time I vote they check my signature against the one on my registration and they election board sends me a postcard beforehand that if it gets returned my registration is invalidated. And yes I live in a big city but our precincts are smallish (mine is a couple of blocks square) and the election workers would become quite suspicious of a bus of homeless people showing up to vote as a bunch of dead people.

That stuff might have worked before computers but now a days you are off the voting rolls as soon as a death certificate is filed.

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RE: SCOTUS majority weasels out of another ruling. - 7/2/2013 6:06:16 PM   
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Nice theory. In my county, the vote is ALWAYS Democrat. In fact, in local elections, even those who are Republican have to run under the Democratic ticket to get elected. And those handful of people who tried to vote multiple times? They weren't voting for Romney ;)

We can blame the GOP for everything and pigeonhole the south as the only racist segment of the country all we want....it doesn't make it true.
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On what planet is the republican party so subjugated by democrats that they need some sort of special dispensation from democrats to be allowed to run?

I think the crux of this matter is the republican's reason for pushing this issue. This is not a quest to make our elections more secure..If it was, I'd be all on-board. It is not and if you republicans actually believe it is you would all be as horrified as I am by Citizens United, in which a douche bag republican supreme court ( I can't even capitalize it anymore) told us all that koch industries is a human being for the sole purpose of allowing corporations to purchase our elections. Y'all don't seem upset at all by that. This is not about secure elections to the republican party. This is about disenfranchising poor people who won't vote for a party that is a slave to the forbes 400.

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