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igor2003 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/30/2013 6:13:04 AM)
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ORIGINAL: tj444
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
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Regardless of Zimmy denying he tried to hold or grab Martin to hold him for the cops, it is my opinion that is exactly what he did
I try to base my opinions on facts.
I haven't seen anything even alleged that supports that opinion.
the facts dont exist at this point.. there is no proof either way.. and I dont believe Zimmy, his word/claims imo are not actual facts & are biased due to the situation he finds himself in & him not wanting to go to jail.. The jury does not have the luxury of having facts on who started the physical altercation, but they will have to decide regardless.. I am not on the jury so I have my own opinions on what happened..
Actually, there are some facts indicating that Zimmerman tried to grab and hold Martin, though some of it is definitely circumstantial.
First, look at Zimmerman’s “mindset” that night. From the beginning he showed an aggressive attitude. His complaining about how “these assholes, they always get away” clearly shows that he thought Martin was already guilty of “something” and he wanted him caught.
While in his truck he follows Martin until Martin leaves the roadway. When Martin runs to get away, Zimmerman gets out of his truck and runs after him. His “excuse” was that he was looking for an address to direct the police to, but that doesn’t fly since he went directly past the first building where he could have easily found house numbers.
He ignored Neighborhood Watch instructions to only observe and not follow.
When asked by the dispatcher if he was following Martin he gave a definite, “Yes”, (which he later denied and said he was only “going in the same direction as Martin!”) After the dispatcher told him that they didn’t need him to do that, he said “OK”. Of course, by that time he had lost sight of Martin and could no longer follow him anyway. But that didn’t keep him from staying in the area looking for him…for about another 2 minutes, in which he could have easily strolled back to his truck with time to spare.
Before ending his conversation with the dispatcher he first said he would meet the responding officer at his truck, but then changes his mind and asks for the responding officer to call him on his cell phone to find out his location at that time. The ONLY reason he would request that is because he didn’t intend to be at his truck, even though it was very close by. WHY would he not be at his truck? I think everyone knows that answer even if they won’t admit it.
Admittedly, that is all pretty much circumstantial up to that point, though it clearly shows that Zimmerman had an aggressive attitude that evening.
Lastly, though many want to discredit Martin’s friend on the phone since what she has to say goes counter to what they want to believe happened, her account of what took place just before Martin’s phone went dead indicates that Martin was in some way being accosted. What she heard was Martin saying, “Get off! Get off!”. If he was attacking Zimmerman, then why would he be saying anything like that? (My own guess is that during the struggle Martin may well have been saying something more like, “let GO OF me! Let GO OF me!” With the emphasis on the “GO OF” and the headset Martin was using already out of place the first and last words may not have come through and the resulting two middle words came through as “GET OFF”…but that is my own supposition.) Of course there are the nay-sayers that won’t give any credit to the girls testimony since it tosses their own theories out the window.
So you have Zimmerman with his “These assholes, they always get away” attitude, following and chasing Martin, ignoring Neighborhood Watch instruction, and ignoring the dispatcher. And you have Martin who ran from Zimmerman, and hid in the bushes to avoid Zimmerman (according to Zimmerman’s own statement to Det. Singleton on the night of the murder he saw Martin emerge from the bushes), and also backed up by statement’s from the friend on the phone when she told about how Martin started talking “real low” (like a person would do if they were hiding.)
All of this put together indicates that Zimmerman was the most likely of the two to have initiated the physical altercation, something Martin had clearly been trying to avoid.
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