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Kirata -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:26:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 One good question I have seen asked, why didnt zimmerman just carry a stun gun? That was asked and answered a long time ago. Actually, he had considered a stun-gun. His concern at the time was unfriendly dogs running loose. But he was advised (rightly or wrongly) that a stun-gun might not be effective. Maybe something to do with thick fur, I don't know. But I remember reading it in one of the myriad newspapers stories. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:26:40 PM)
Oh Im not saying he wont get off scott free. I still think he was hunting a human.

Kirata -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:28:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. And, of course, he knew damn well that he was putting himself in harm's way, because the record shows that he consulted his crystal ball and chose to disregard its answer. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:32:44 PM)
His so called "training" told him that.

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:34:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. And, of course, he knew damn well that he was putting himself in harm's way, because the record shows that he consulted his crystal ball and chose to disregard its answer. K. Sure, chasing someone he just called the police to report....... No way George could have figured he might put himself in harm`s way.....[8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:40:32 PM)
Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules. First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing. "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous." His training. He knew better. He knew why he shouldnt have done it. He did it anyways. He was hunting.

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Same answer [;)] Which applies to the man defending himself if he doesn't stop the assailant. Which means if he didnt follow, he would have no reason to have to defend himself, even from an imaginary attack. Guns are carried for two reasons. To hunt, or to protect. He followed... he went looking.. he was hunting. You can argue that point all you want. My view on this wont change. Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. I don't expect to change your view. I believe you are wrong but you have that right.

BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:42:21 PM)
quote: You can argue that point all you want. My view on this wont change. Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. I think police officers might disagree with that statment as well as firemen who put themselves in harms way all the time in the persuit of protection

BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:45:17 PM)
This guy went way beyond the call of duty. That used to be called heroic.

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:47:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules. First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing. "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous." His training. He knew better. He knew why he shouldnt have done it. He did it anyways. He was hunting. "these fucking punks always get away" Not that night.

Kirata -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:47:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 No way George could have figured he might put himself in harm`s way... That's right. I'm sorry it went over your head the first time, but you've got it now. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:47:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: You can argue that point all you want. My view on this wont change. Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. I think police officers might disagree with that statment as well as firemen who put themselves in harms way all the time in the persuit of protection Police are trained for that. Z was not. Police are trained to go in. Z was trained to call and hang back. Z was not a police officer.

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/27/2013 11:57:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD This guy went way beyond the call of duty. That used to be called heroic. Chasing a stranger in his own neighborhood, leading to their death.....is not heroism........it`s stupidity and negligence. Running into a burning home to save Trayvon, would have been heroism. Stopping a rape or other crime in progress, would be heroic. Disregarding what the real law enforcement said was not heroic......it was stupid. And we know why....

BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:00:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: You can argue that point all you want. My view on this wont change. Protection doesnt mean putting yourself in harms way. I think police officers might disagree with that statment as well as firemen who put themselves in harms way all the time in the persuit of protection Police are trained for that. Z was not. Police are trained to go in. Z was trained to call and hang back. Z was not a police officer. I don't know what its like where you live, but as someone who has lived in an area wheren burglery. robbery etc etc etc has been fairly regular, and having caled the cops, and even given them the NAME of the burgler and NOTHING HAPPENING and considering thre had been a series of break ins in this area, I can certianly see how someone like X might have thought, welll THIS TIME, I'll just KEEP an eye on him till the cops get here, and the girl who sw on the phone testifies that M INITIATED the contact by saying WHY ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME, and Z responding by asking who he was and why was here there? then IMIEADATLY AFTER some sort of scuffle ensued all I KNOW is when I was M age if an adult asked me such a questtion I would have answered his questions, which its CLEAR M DID NOT. I may be jumping to a conclusion here, but as a rule when one person speaks and the next thing you hear is a FIGHT, its usually NOT the last person who SPOKE who threw the 1st punch! possinly she heard MORE than she is telling, she has ALREADY admitted she witheld INFO, and that M made racist remarkes beleive ANYTHING you like, but unless you've been in a similar situation, you have NO IDEA how these things happen, and when it happens it happens FAST!

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:00:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 No way George could have figured he might put himself in harm`s way... That's right. I'm sorry it went over your head the first time, but you've got it now. K. Such smarts,such tact and humility......and still, above it all......[:D]

Extravagasm -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:01:13 AM)
quote: jif post 127: I have one question, why couldnt zimmerman have shot and disabled martin so that he was not a threat? I mean one round through a knee cap and he would be immobilized. Three Answers: 1) A person who would ask that, has likely not been in a physical fight for over 15 years. We truly can forget. I was in one last month when two yahoos tried to mug me. Though able to drive them out and away with my hands, I had a plenty hard time tracking their moving fists, say nothing of their moving knee caps. And all the time I couldn't be sure if a weapon would emerge. quote: jif post 127: I have one question, why couldnt zimmerman have shot and disabled martin so that he was not a threat? I mean one round through a knee cap and he would be immobilized. 2) Perhaps he could have. Or perhaps Zimmerman thought Zimmerman would be unconscious if Zimmerman took time for a circuitous aiming path. Let me tell you, you're not sure when the next strike will put you under. Then you're done. Something I relearned from my recent "fire drill" is that seconds are soooo fleeting. I will live forever with 10 cardinal things I want to have done differently in my fight. quote: jif post 127: I have one question, why couldnt zimmerman have shot and disabled martin so that he was not a threat? I mean one round through a knee cap and he would be immobilized. 3) There's incredible adrenalin pumping in the fury of a struggle, plus shouting, sweating, scraping, tearing. It's absolutely nothing like the model of a sniper that you understandably often draw from. The adrenalin changed the shape of my face for about 4 hours after, which I recorded on mirror pictures I took of myself with my phone. There's nothing like being there.

MasterCaneman -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:02:43 AM)
I agree. He did step out of line when he chased him, but I don't think he really wanted to kill the kid. Place him under 'citizen's arrest' or something to impress the cops and give himself something to crow about. I don't think he was prepared when he encountered real resistance. I won't praise or damn him for what happened next. His greatest crime was to do this during a fairly slow news cycle, otherwise it'd have been handled locally. I don't feel like checking the stats, but I'll wager that there were many more shootings and killings in the area that won't get the attention this one does.

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:06:28 AM)
Still,it begs the question,does the initiator/aggressor(George) get to claim victimhood after he gets his ass kicked, picking a fight with the wrong guy? No.

Owner59 -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:11:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman I agree. He did step out of line when he chased him, but I don't think he really wanted to kill the kid. Place him under 'citizen's arrest' or something to impress the cops and give himself something to crow about. I don't think he was prepared when he encountered real resistance. I won't praise or damn him for what happened next. His greatest crime was to do this during a fairly slow news cycle, otherwise it'd have been handled locally. I don't feel like checking the stats, but I'll wager that there were many more shootings and killings in the area that won't get the attention this one does. Good points.I share a few. Especially the ham-handed wanna-be cop shit, that got him in trouble. But it was the local outrage and then social media outrage from NOT charging the guy after weeks,that gave this story legs. They let him go. That,is why I got upset and probably why so many others did too.

BitYakin -> RE: Zimmerman Trial - LIVE (6/28/2013 12:14:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Still,it begs the question,does the initiator/aggressor(George) get to claim victimhood after he gets his ass kicked, picking a fight with the wrong guy? No. sorry I just don;t see asking someone WHO they are and WHY they are there as PICKING FIGHT!, which is own friend testified IS what happened I am jumping to a conclusion, but I'd be willing to BET the answer she didn't tell everyone from M was F you thats NONE of your busssiness and attacked him! I'd be willing to bet ANYTHING if M had answered my fathers friend live in this complexe sir, lets walk over there and they will verify that he'd STILL BE ALIVE! someone walking up to you and SPEAKING to you is NOT justicication to attack someone!

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