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ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two

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ORIGINAL: eulero83
In most of european country the state would pay his cares, and I don't know how it works in the USA but in Italy nurses are emploees of the ospital and not self employed professional so they recieve a montly check based on hour worked and do not send a bill to the patient.

You are correct, to a point. The nurse gets paid by the hospital. That assumes that the hospital is being paid by it's patients and making enough money to cover it's bills and thus make payroll. If the hospital doesn't get paid, they can't pay their bills, including payroll, and then people start getting laid-off.

By the way, having dealt with private medical insurance for my wife over the years. Most insurance policies charge you extra for the privileged of being transported back to the US if you should become incapacitated in another country.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Here's what bothers me: The man has been a New Jersey resident for 30 years. He's a resident. That doesn't necessarily equate to "citizen" in all cases. So, this is a little ambiguous.

If he's "just" a resident and not a citizen, I have no problem with the policy as the article seems to point out; he's living in a shelter and has no family here but has family in Poland. Obviously, there's some question as to whether or not he consented to the repatriation but, unless I'm mistaken, the US can revoke residency at their whim. I could be wrong about that.

Until recently, I lived a five minute walk from that hospital and I have had a few occasions in the 15 years I lived in New Brunswick to use that hospital's services. Other than the over-all crap that our care system is, I haven't really had many complaints.

If this person was a citizen, I have strong objections to what happened.

I wish the article had gone into a bit more detail.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Okay. I did some searching and I found a couple of sources that say that he was an illegal alien. That's a horse of another color for me.

The hospital did not refuse to treat him and since he had no insurance and no avenue to get charity care (because he's an illegal alien), they gave him enough care to be reasonably sure he wouldn't die and deported him.

I'm okay with that. What makes these illegal aliens think that they're entitled to anything? I think that's pretty backwards thinking.

I piss all over your country by entering it, illegally. I work (presumably off the books so I don't get caught being illegal ) and I don't pay taxes but then I demand that I get the same treatment as people that are in the country legally? Fuck off, criminal!

You got free healthcare (as I believe he should). You've enjoyed some of the benefits of living in this country for 30 years. Be glad your deportation didn't come at the ass end of a prison sentence.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: eulero83


In most of european country the state would pay his cares, and I don't know how it works in the USA but in Italy nurses are emploees of the ospital and not self employed professional so they recieve a montly check based on hour worked and do not send a bill to the patient.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

In New Zealand, health care is free - assuming everyone pays their taxes.

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America just isn't that way. You either pay cash or have health insurance.

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Most hospitals in the US are privately owned - as in , not by the State or Feds. And there isn't a private hospital in the world that can afford to carry , indefinitely , someone with no money.

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So............ if someone with no money, who isn't a citizen gets sick and needs continued care - who gets to pay for it? The country that he wants to be in, or the country that he was born in, and has family in

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- even if they don't want to see him. To me, its a no brainer.

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and if other countries want to grant political asylum so that its residents can pay for an individuals health care, then more power to them.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Perhaps I should have said the health care in NZ is free assuming everyone pays their taxes to finance it. Otherwise the country wouldn't be able to afford it.

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and yes if you don't have health insurance in America you die. My late dom didn't have health care and died of an easily cured cancer - because he couldn't afford to seek care until his cancer was so advanced it couldn't be cured. So if this country can't afford to provide him care to allow him to continue to work and pay taxes, it certainly can't afford to pay for care for someone who has no claim on the system.

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Apparently there are a number of people running large corporations in this country that have no brains, because this man being sent back to the his legal country isn't the only case of this happening.

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I guess this makes your country not civilized, because America doesn't pay for health care for all......

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Always have had a firm grasp on the obvious. Which is why I realize that being brainless isn't illegal. Therefore, I don't think anyone is going to prison for this mans trip to Poland - or where ever.

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and what makes you think the man paid taxes? If he was illegal, there is a good chance that he didn't.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

OK - i'll be the devils advocate. Who pays for his care - because no-one is stepping up to the plate. The hospital is a business and can't afford to pay for the care of the man for the rest of his life.
Despicable treatment? How is it despicable? If you need care, don't you think that you should pay for it? As a nurse, a provider of care, I can't afford to provide my services for free. I have bills to pay and kids and animals to feed.
And charity is great, but there has to be a limit. Why do people think they can get something for free? How many people here can afford to work because they want to be a great humanitarian? No-one I know, and that includes doctors, nurses, and aides. We all have to make money.

I've heard of this happening to people from other countries as well, and in an ideal world, they would be able to get quality care where ever they wanted - BUT in the world I live in, it isn't going to happen.

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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Always have had a firm grasp on the obvious. Which is why I realize that being brainless isn't illegal. Therefore, I don't think anyone is going to prison for this mans trip to Poland - or where ever.

my Sir wouldn't have died in NZ. He would have been able to get the help he needed - but he would have had to wait for it. Unlike the States, if you don't have health insurance, you have a gatekeeper doctor, usually the GP, who makes referals and then you wait for the next appointment time. My Mum had a leaking cerebral aneurysm manifested as vision loss in one eye. She went to the GP and got an appointment to see an eye doctor - in five weeks. It cut loose before then () and she ended up in hospital with a full blown bleed.

so yes, the system works, and fairly well, but there are definite issues.


and what makes you think the man paid taxes? If he was illegal, there is a good chance that he didn't.

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He had lost his job in recent years, which, in turn, saw him lose his apartment. When he became sick, he was living in a local shelter, according to his friend, Jerzy Jedra.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2348727/Wladyslaw-Haniszewski-deported-Immigrant-fell-coma-New-Jersey-wakes-POLAND-hospital-deports-him.html#ixzz2XQkFoLCz