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-=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage leg... - 6/26/2013 2:57:06 PM   
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All the "In God We Trust" church money and political bending couldn't stop the gay couples from getting recognized could it? Thankfully the Supreme Court overturned the 1996 DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and legal gay marriages will be treated the same as other marriages by the federal government now. This is great news for the thirteen of our states that have made gay marriage fully legal (including Washington DC).



The trip to get here may have been 2 steps forward and one step back. But considering the US was founded by Christians and the church fights vehemently against the separation of church and state while touting a barbaric anti-gay mindset that couples pairing and marriage should be a man and woman that only fuck in order to produce more 'church going, god fearing child patrons' has once again been uprooted legally. Yes, halleluiah and amen, today was a joyous landmark in sexual freedom here in the US.

In the UK one in every 66 people say they are gay. Around the world, generally 4% to 10% of any population is reportedly gay. Here in the US it's 4% to 8% depending who's poll you read. However, most national polls (link to polls) say more than 50 percent of Americans believe gay couples should be legally allowed to marry. So to all you cross carrying, church supporting religious fanatics that have been helping suppress the gay faction of our society by supporting the churches and religions that tried to squash them, a long awaited and big "kiss my ass, they did it anyway" is in order. Every once in a while, the Supreme Court in the US does a good thing.

As for us leather folk, certainly a hell of a lot more than 10% of us are gay so this means a lot for us and our lifestyle. Exactly what does this all mean and what really changed? Here are some nice charts that explain it all:



More on AFTER DOMA from Human Right Campaign.

As I have mentioned before (searched but couldn't find it), with the newer socially acceptable sexual mindsets, one day I expect society will legally recognize more types of alt lifestyle relationships. The counterpoint in that thread was that leather couples could marry, why would they need more recognition? The list is long, from hospital visitation rights to joint tax returns. Why should our leather lifestyle conform to a religious based format in the first place?

The good news is today gay couples that want a conventional marriage currently have 13 states to choose from right now, poly even less. What condition is your state in? You can check Legal Information and Resources by State from UE (Unmarried Equally). Are we next to get some federal slack? Will I one day be able to deduct my cage as a slave housing cost? Right now in my state of Florida it's rough:

Common Law Marriage: No
Same-Sex Marriage: No
Domestic Partnership / Civil Union: Same- and different-sex couples can register in Broward County, Key West, Miami Beach, Miami-Dade, and West Palm Beach. However one registrant must be employed by the county or be residents of Broward or Miami-Dade.
Living Together/Cohabitation: Illegal

I love the weather and the beaches in Florida, but my Master/slave relationship with my live in slave is illegal much less tax deductible or accompanied by any family rights. If she goes to the hospital and ends up with family only visiting, they could legally bar me from visiting her even if I am the one paying the bill. But a gay couple can register in several counties of Florida. Bloody hell, Florida is the capitol of kink. More nudist colonies than anywhere else in the world . . . but God forbid we should cohabitate? This ass backwards mindset is why me and the slave will eventually be relocating.


When are we going to be next? Just like the history and evolution of the gay rights issue in general, we are in our infancy stage. We are still fighting to get what we do taking off the books as mental illness and change laws to keep us out of jail for doing what we do. We haven't even started fighting for our legal rights as alt lifestyle couples. Do you think it is it going to take decades for our comeuppance like it has for gay couples?

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 3:10:45 PM   
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What i cant wait to see though, is the reaction of the Westboro baptist Church over this. They'll get completely mental!!!

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 4:24:08 PM   
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Take a look for youself what WBC is saying.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/westboro-baptist-church-doma-supreme-court-hell_n_3504436.html

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 4:29:02 PM   
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What I cant wait to see is the celebration at the gay bar tonight. Will be going to Revolution in Orlando either tonight or tomorrow night.

http://www.revolutionorlando.com/



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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 5:15:46 PM   
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Thank you for that post, RS. When I sit here and think of what this is going to mean to so many people that I know, I'm truly speechless.


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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 5:26:28 PM   
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I have purposely kept this out of the P&R forum as a place for those who wish to celebrate, to do so.


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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 5:41:50 PM   
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There is one down there already... more for the political aspects... I hope this one stays for the celebrations.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 5:53:18 PM   
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I am elated. Too bad I won't be in San Francisco for the kick-ass Pride parties this weekend! Prop. 8 was struck down today, too.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 5:55:28 PM   
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The American Family Association's Bryan Fischer even worried that the decisions would quickly lead to "the normalization of polygamy, pedophilia, incest and bestiality."

my god.....way to be extreme.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 6:03:05 PM   
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In a major policy reversal (today), the Obama administration said it will no longer defend the constitutionality of a federal law banning recognition of same-sex marriage and has taken action to see that the "command of the constitution" will be put in force "quickly and smoothly" for federal benefits that are forthcoming.

It is an amazing day and the words of Judge Kennedy resounded as a keynote of things to come. The 38 states the do not recognize gay marriage have basically been put on notice that they are going against the constitution, making good grounds for legal advocates to effect future changes. Freedom To Marry (freedomtomarry.org) made the statement on CNN that theirs' is an ambitious plan to change the laws in the remaining 38 states over the next 8 years.

Sometimes, just sometimes, I am actually glad to live in the US. Unless you live here, you may not be aware of the Christian dogma that is firmly imbedded like a stick up our government's ass. Our country was founded by fleeing Christians. It says "In God We Trust" on our money and you can damn well be sure they aren't talking about the Buddha, Allah or Jehova. They are talking about the Christian God . . . the God that is vehemently against gay marriage. So separation of church and state is a line of bullshit for the media. But times they are changing and sex won out over religion and bad government today. Just yesterday, the administration paid for the defense of DOMA and upheld it. Today they say it unconstitutional and are moving to make sure federal benefits will be available to gay couples as quickly as possible. Hell, today is a good day and I am proud of what happened. We said we were wrong, the Supreme Court said that the church was wrong . . . our "In God We Trust" tax dollars just paid for the Supreme Court to rule that the Christian Church anti-gay dogma was in direct violation of our constitution.

. . . God was wrong, well, at least the barbaric Catholic church version of God was wrong. So fuck the pope and his army of gay priests that secretly screw their twink alter boys in the closet. The adult gay couples can go get married (in 13 states) and collect all the federal benefits due them as a couple. In fact, you can go to a freedom to marry state, get married and go back to a state that has yet to reform and you still qualify for the fed benefits. All that is required is a legal marriage, doesn't matter where you live now.

Kennedy, along with Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, ruled that DOMA is unconstitutional under the Fifth Amendment. Some of the highlights from his ruling:

DOMA violates the Fifth Amendment
DOMA creates a "stigma" on citizens
DOMA "violates basic due process and equal protection"
DOMA "humiliates" children of same-sex parents
Married couples are told they are "less worthy"
Same-sex couples are denied federal benefits

Kennedy used the word dignity 19 times in his statement. Someone buy those guys a beer because dignity is the one thing DOMA took away that wasn't really spelled out in writing.

More on Kennedy and the ruling

I haven't lived the LGBT lifestyle since I was teen. I lead a hetro life by educated preference nowadays. But the vast majority of my lifestyle friends are LGBT and this ruling doses directly effect them. I am so glad for them, I am ecstatic an emotional about this . . . it is a world changing event. The last stages of the gay rights battle has begun. It isn't over but it feels like a big victory, human rights won out over barbaric religious dogma. Yeah us! Sometimes, just sometimes, I am actually glad to live in the US and today is one of those days.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 6:05:20 PM   
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Thank you for that post, RS. When I sit here and think of what this is going to mean to so many people that I know, I'm truly speechless.


I got choked up and there is a tear in my eye . . . but don't tell anyone, it may ruin my street rep.


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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 6:09:12 PM   
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Although this doesn't affect me directly anymore, it still brings tears to my eyes. I was in a lesbian relationship for 11 yrs, married for the last 5 of those. Not legally married, but married in our eyes and those of our friends and family. We said fuck you to those that didn't think we deserved happiness just because we were both female. We had a ceremony at a chapel, a small reception after and a rocking honeymoon. We filed legal documents for power of attorney and made wills. That's the best we could do. It protected us from anyone saying we couldn't visit each other in the hospital, make end of life decisions for each other, or keep the things that we worked together to build should something happen to one of us. I felt more married to her than I did to either of the 2 husbands that the law sanctioned the marriages. Well after 11 years we realized that happily ever after wasn't going to last. So we parted ways. The only good thing about not being able to get legally married is that we didn't have to bother getting legally divorced.

Besides it being morally and constitutionally right that everyone deserves equal rights under the law, think of the boost to the economy. All the money spent on thousands of couples getting married, and then the money they will have to spend to get divorced.

Today i feel proud to have been just a small part of making change in our country (and despite its faults i still think its a great country to live in). I never found the time to volunteer and protest. But i have voted every year, signed petitions and donated to organizations that have been working for years to create equality and recognition of gay marriage. The fight isn't over yet. Human Rights Campaign, Lambda Legal and Equality Florida are still on autopay for monthly donations. I will continue to cast my votes for the candidates that have a history of being pro-equality.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 6:26:08 PM   
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To paraphrase Neil Armstrong, it was a small step..but an important one. I am glad this happened, among other things, the federal government should not be figuring out who is legally married, for a lot of reasons. My guess is that more states will make same sex marriage legal and enough will do so that it will become unwieldy and the courts will act.....

In any event, it is about time, because this affects a lot of people. For the parents and friends of gay couples, it means they can go to bed and know their loved ones are protected as they were. For trans people who transition, it means their marriage is still good, instead of in a giant gray area. More importantly, to me this sets a standard and says that as a country, we are about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and unlike the conservatives who claims the last was about property *gag*, it says we have the right to live our lives as we wish, unfettered by religion or culture or the majority shoving their beliefs down our throats, which has been an ongoing battled for 300 years, and still goes on:)..

RS, with all due respects, some of your last message are incorrect. First of all, The Obama administration decided DOMA was illegal several years ago, and refused to defend it in court as such (some republicans clamored to impeach Obama for not doing his job; sorry to tell them, but they have the right not to enforce laws they think are illegal), and DOMA itself was defended, not by the AG, but by the GOP members of congress who appealed the lower court ruling.........so it wasn't today he decided it was illegal, he and holder said it was several years ago.


And yes, almost all the hysteria against gays can be traced back to religion, whether atheists are homophobes is meaningless, because the bias can be traced back to religious belief, there is no doubt on that. That said, I would be careful about claiming how the problem is Christianity or Christians as a whole; there are more then a few Christians fighting for the rights of gays to marry, I belonged to an Episcopal church that did same sex weddings and considered it fully sacramental, the Episcopal Church as a whole, the UCC, support gays rights to marry as do every Jewish tradition except the orthodox. Among Catholics, almost 60% support same sex marriage despite what their church says, and apparently vote that way, too. As far ad "In God we Trust", that came about in the 1950's along with "under God" in the pledge, a piece of mischief that was primarily promoted by the Knights of Columbus (and folks, do yourself a favor, if you ever see K of C's collecting money supposedly to support mentally retarded kids and such, walk the other way; the Knights of Columbus spent about 3 million in California supporting gettting prop 8 passed, they are extreme right wing uber Catholics and no friend to anyone who is different). In any event, there are a lot of people of faith who aren't the way you think.....and it isn't fair to paint them that way. The irony is, as an issue, homosexuality in the bible appears a couple of times, but you would think it was all Christ thought about (which he didn't, since Christ never mentioned it)....

Ah, would love to be back in some of my old haunts tonight or this weekend, to see the happiness flowing, and the Pride March this sunday is going to be something else I suspect:)

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 7:24:53 PM   
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I'm so happy for you guys and gals. It truly warms my heart to see this. Congrats!!

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 7:36:51 PM   
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I wish I were in NYC this weekend! I had tears running down my face I was so happy about it earlier. I'm so happy for all the relationships that will now be recognized. <3

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 8:08:36 PM   
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What I cant wait to see is the celebration at the gay bar tonight. Will be going to Revolution in Orlando either tonight or tomorrow night.

http://www.revolutionorlando.com/




Looks like a good time. I checked out the website and if I am not mistaken that is the same bar I used to go to when I lived there. Different name though but that was over 20 years ago. They used to do a weekly bbq that was great.


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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 8:36:48 PM   
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What I cant wait to see is the celebration at the gay bar tonight. Will be going to Revolution in Orlando either tonight or tomorrow night.

http://www.revolutionorlando.com/

Looks like a good time. I checked out the website and if I am not mistaken that is the same bar I used to go to when I lived there. Different name though but that was over 20 years ago. They used to do a weekly bbq that was great.

It used to be called Southern Nights, same bar.


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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 8:44:18 PM   
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What I cant wait to see is the celebration at the gay bar tonight.

I'm sure it will be festive. Enjoy!

The hottest celebration in these parts was a service of thanksgiving at the National Cathedral. There was enough energy in that staid old sanctuary to power a small city. I've never seen Episcopalians rock like that!. We sang, we clapped, we swayed, we waved rainbow flags, and we all invited ourselves into the closing procession, sashaying and even dancing our way down the aisle. An amazing, joyous celebration.

It's funny: The first piece of mail I got at my current apartment was a form letter from the White House, acknowledging (but not answering) my scolding of President Clinton for signing DOMA. I realize he probably didn't have the spine or stature to veto the damn bill, but he could at least have let it become law without his signature. So I'm particularly glad to see it get gutted.

Now I just need to find a guy.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 10:23:41 PM   
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A very celebration worthy day. It feels like the steady pull back to the Middle Ages has hit a snag.

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RE: -=An alt lifestyle milestone victory - gay marriage... - 6/26/2013 10:28:00 PM   
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Does this mean I can legally clone Olivia Wilde and Tazzy and some other women and legally marry them?

All joking aside, I have a lot of friends in the LGBT community that this will make happy.

Of course the state of Texas under the raving pack of ultra conservatives in control are still trying to pass a law against same sex marriage and civil unions.

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