BitYakin
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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Number of murders and attempted murders at or involving abortion providers since Roe: 21
Are you really arguing that that is ok? That groups like Operation Rescue should get designation as charities?
Just feeling it is the right thing to do is not worship or any other aspect of religion and therefore is not religious. The purpose of the protests is to prevent other people from accessing their rights. That is inherently a political action.
21 out of how many MILLIONS of protests, is a killing OK, no, but to assume any and every protest will result in violence of any kind is just well downright stupid
It is my experience, for many years I volunteered as an escort at clinics being protested, that all anti abortion protests are violent. The protesters try to physically block access to the entries, try to physically prevent women from getting out of their vehicles, assault and batter escorts as we brought women through them to the clinic doors, they break windows and doors, they slash tires and key cars, they attempt to gain entry and when they do they try and destroy as much of the clinic as they can etc. etc.
According to the NAF there have been
8 murders
17 attempted murders (they must have some I couldn't find by googling)
3 kidnappings
153 incidents of assault and battery (must be only those arrested)
41 bombings
173 arsons
91 attempted bombings or arsons
100 stink bomb attacks (butyric acid very foul stuff)
1264 incidents of vandalism
And it is doubtful there have been millions of protests. It has been 40 years since Roe. That's less than 15,000 days for there to have been millions of protests that would require 2M/15k= 133 protests per day.
ok then you pick what you think a fair number of protests over that time period might be, I know that there is a clinic here in st louis that has had a protest outside thier doors every single day for as long as I can remember, going back about 30 years now
thats quite a few at just that one single location, are you saying is not possible that there as protests in the hundreds of other larger cities the same as this place?
because one a day in 138 cities doesn't sound all that far fetched to me
now lets examine those stats you put up
as you saying there were murders, attmepted murders, kidnapping, attempted kidnappings, arson and attempted arsons DURING protests
the vandelism, ok I'll concede that, I can resonably see cars being keyed and spray painting slogans etc etc etc happening DURING protests. same with assults when you tech consider assualt can be considered ANY physical contact. and I can concede that maybe SOME of the other things happened during protests, but my guess is on a case by case basis, the the MAJORITY more severe things you mention happened LATE A NIGHT under the cover of darkness by LONE perpetrators not during protests
of everything you mentioned it comes to 1856 incedents
lets use a conservative number and say inthe WHOLE COUNTRY thre were only an average of 10 protests per day for 15000 days, thats 150000 protests
to simplfy the math I am going to round UP your number of incedents to 2000
so that still comes to less than 2% of the time, and if you take away the vandelism its still like .0 something %
and I want to apologize to everyone for dragging this of topic, I should have known it would happen and I AM SORRY!
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