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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/28/2013 8:57:00 PM   
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Because you are not a mind reader and cannot know when a group 'routinely intends' to break the law.
Because the statute doesn't allow it?
Because every person is afforded due process?

You are sounding an awful lot like a Nazi. A very weird liberal nazi.


If they protest at a clinic they are either engaging in political activity specifically disallowed by 501(c)3 or they will be breaking the FACE act and I am quite pleased we do not give tax exempt status to terrorists.



WRONGGG, protesting abortion at a clinic is NOT nessicarily political activity!

while the issue has been highly politicized, it is entierly possible for a group to be for and/or against abortion purely for MORAL and/or RELIGIOUS reasons

just because politicians discuss an issue does not mean every single person only approves and/or disapproves of it for political reasons

Explain the religious reason for protesting outside a medical clinic. Then reconcile that with the 501(c)3 rules.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/28/2013 10:25:53 PM   
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I understand how all the PPLs feel. I was a huge fan and supporter of Mayor Koch in NYC. I thought he was a great guy and did good things for the city.

In his third term, the bottom started falling out. There was scandal after scandal and while he wasn't directly involved in any of them (as best as my memory serves), he was at the helm when some really fucked-up stuff was going on.

I felt so bad for "Hizoner" as the POST used to affectionately refer to him. I had the opportunity to share a flight with him and he was as kind, and gracious as I had hoped. We sat next to each other and discussed his life in politics (but not his personal life except the crap that Cuomo did to him in the '77 [?] primaries).

I think the PPLs are going through the same thing with Obummer, now.



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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/28/2013 10:26:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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Because you are not a mind reader and cannot know when a group 'routinely intends' to break the law.
Because the statute doesn't allow it?
Because every person is afforded due process?

You are sounding an awful lot like a Nazi. A very weird liberal nazi.


If they protest at a clinic they are either engaging in political activity specifically disallowed by 501(c)3 or they will be breaking the FACE act and I am quite pleased we do not give tax exempt status to terrorists.



WRONGGG, protesting abortion at a clinic is NOT nessicarily political activity!

while the issue has been highly politicized, it is entierly possible for a group to be for and/or against abortion purely for MORAL and/or RELIGIOUS reasons

just because politicians discuss an issue does not mean every single person only approves and/or disapproves of it for political reasons

Explain the religious reason for protesting outside a medical clinic. Then reconcile that with the 501(c)3 rules.


REALLY? I mean if I have to EXPLAIN to you why a group who feels children are being murdered at a clinic would/could be a RELIGIOUS thing then there is just NO POINT in speaking to you at ALL...

and as for reconciling it with 501(c)3 rules, nothing in there prohiblts religious protesting, only political...

soo there ya go!

ya know whats really messed up here, is I am actually pro choice, but I CAN see the point of pro life arguments, and for more reasons that most here would even consider

lil something almost everyone refuses to consider, is the FATHERS rights to not have his offspring terminated

think about this lil detail, if I as a father say abort that baby, and the woman decides to have it, I am still financialy responsible for 18 years at LEAST... and the common response to men is, if you didn't want that responsibilty then keep yer cock in your pants

on the other hand, if I say I WANT MY CHILD, the woman can just DECIDE to terminate my offspring and I have ZERO say in the matter, and NO ONE says to her, if you didn't want that responsibilty you should have kept your legs together

I know this veers wildly from the actual topic, but it pertains to the question asked and my anticpation of being SLAMMED for being a PRO LIFER!

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 5:01:43 AM   
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Explain the religious reason for protesting outside a medical clinic. Then reconcile that with the 501(c)3 rules.


REALLY? I mean if I have to EXPLAIN to you why a group who feels children are being murdered at a clinic would/could be a RELIGIOUS thing then there is just NO POINT in speaking to you at ALL...

and as for reconciling it with 501(c)3 rules, nothing in there prohiblts religious protesting, only political...

soo there ya go!

No, what you're claiming is that their motive for protesting is based on the morality they believe stems from their religion. Nothing in any religion says they have to picket outside clinics, harass women seeking medical care for they not what and kill doctors.

The reasons they protest are political and/or terroristic and it is entirely appropriate for us to restrict those groups we give charitable status from doing either.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 9:52:40 AM   
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Explain the religious reason for protesting outside a medical clinic. Then reconcile that with the 501(c)3 rules.


REALLY? I mean if I have to EXPLAIN to you why a group who feels children are being murdered at a clinic would/could be a RELIGIOUS thing then there is just NO POINT in speaking to you at ALL...

and as for reconciling it with 501(c)3 rules, nothing in there prohiblts religious protesting, only political...

soo there ya go!

No, what you're claiming is that their motive for protesting is based on the morality they believe stems from their religion. Nothing in any religion says they have to picket outside clinics, harass women seeking medical care for they not what and kill doctors.

The reasons they protest are political and/or terroristic and it is entirely appropriate for us to restrict those groups we give charitable status from doing either.

no nothing in thier religion REQUIRES them to protest, just as no religion requires anyone to intervene in a rape or robbery or assualt, but being a religious person might they not just feel its the RIGHT THING TO DO?

as for the killing doctors part, being a lil melodramatic aren't we...
on a percentage basis protests to actual violence occuring, my guess it violence occurs less than 1% of the time out of a million protests at clinic probably violence occurs maybe a dozen time
and I am just guessing, feel free to cite some statistic that shows otherwise

sorry dude just because YOU percieve it to be political doesn't mean it IS political, and since when did handing out pamphlets and carrying signs and chanting slogans become terrorism, talk about hypocrital overeach on the use of a word!

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 10:13:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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Explain the religious reason for protesting outside a medical clinic. Then reconcile that with the 501(c)3 rules.


REALLY? I mean if I have to EXPLAIN to you why a group who feels children are being murdered at a clinic would/could be a RELIGIOUS thing then there is just NO POINT in speaking to you at ALL...

and as for reconciling it with 501(c)3 rules, nothing in there prohiblts religious protesting, only political...

soo there ya go!

No, what you're claiming is that their motive for protesting is based on the morality they believe stems from their religion. Nothing in any religion says they have to picket outside clinics, harass women seeking medical care for they not what and kill doctors.

The reasons they protest are political and/or terroristic and it is entirely appropriate for us to restrict those groups we give charitable status from doing either.

no nothing in thier religion REQUIRES them to protest, just as no religion requires anyone to intervene in a rape or robbery or assualt, but being a religious person might they not just feel its the RIGHT THING TO DO?

as for the killing doctors part, being a lil melodramatic aren't we...
on a percentage basis protests to actual violence occuring, my guess it violence occurs less than 1% of the time out of a million protests at clinic probably violence occurs maybe a dozen time
and I am just guessing, feel free to cite some statistic that shows otherwise

sorry dude just because YOU percieve it to be political doesn't mean it IS political, and since when did handing out pamphlets and carrying signs and chanting slogans become terrorism, talk about hypocrital overeach on the use of a word!

Number of murders and attempted murders at or involving abortion providers since Roe: 21

Are you really arguing that that is ok? That groups like Operation Rescue should get designation as charities?

Just feeling it is the right thing to do is not worship or any other aspect of religion and therefore is not religious. The purpose of the protests is to prevent other people from accessing their rights. That is inherently a political action.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 10:17:30 AM   
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on the other hand, if I say I WANT MY CHILD, the woman can just DECIDE to terminate my offspring and I have ZERO say in the matter, and NO ONE says to her, if you didn't want that responsibilty you should have kept your legs together


There is a flaw in your logic.. can you guess where it is?

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 10:38:31 AM   
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Number of murders and attempted murders at or involving abortion providers since Roe: 21

Are you really arguing that that is ok? That groups like Operation Rescue should get designation as charities?

Just feeling it is the right thing to do is not worship or any other aspect of religion and therefore is not religious. The purpose of the protests is to prevent other people from accessing their rights. That is inherently a political action.


21 out of how many MILLIONS of protests, is a killing OK, no, but to assume any and every protest will result in violence of any kind is just well downright stupid

21 out of a million pretttttty low odds in my book!

lets see, 21 out of 100 would be 21% out of a 1000 would be 2.1% out of 10,000 would be .21% out of 100,000 would be .021% out of a million would be .0021%

WOW run for your lives there is an abortion protest! there is a .0021% chance somethng BAD WILL HAPPEN, those TERRORISTS!!!!

to ASSUME because this particular group will protest means violence will occur is redicules at best, calling them terrorists and suggesting they will kill a doctor just makes you like rabid

never said it was WORSHIP did I, I said their religious convictions were thier motivation for protesting. or at least thats what I meant, sorry if I wasn't clear enough...

its entirely possible the PURPOSE of thier protest to to try to prevent something they feel is blatently against thier RELIGIOUS BELEIFS

quite trying to pretend that anything and everything someone does has to be politically motivated just because thats how YOU see it

I am not a religious person, but if I was, and I thought something was being done someplace that was blatently against my religious beleifs I certianly would feel an obligation to stand up and say so

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 10:40:06 AM   
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on the other hand, if I say I WANT MY CHILD, the woman can just DECIDE to terminate my offspring and I have ZERO say in the matter, and NO ONE says to her, if you didn't want that responsibilty you should have kept your legs together


There is a flaw in your logic.. can you guess where it is?



no I won't guess, but please do explain it to me

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 10:44:02 AM   
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Sure. How do you know its yours?

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on the other hand, if I say I WANT MY CHILD, the woman can just DECIDE to terminate my offspring and I have ZERO say in the matter, and NO ONE says to her, if you didn't want that responsibilty you should have kept your legs together


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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:05:47 AM   
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Sure. How do you know its yours?

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on the other hand, if I say I WANT MY CHILD, the woman can just DECIDE to terminate my offspring and I have ZERO say in the matter, and NO ONE says to her, if you didn't want that responsibilty you should have kept your legs together




well I suppose, if I were with a woman who sleeps around, I couldn't be sure, but I am also sure thats not usually the case...

really though, that the BEST you can come up with, it MIGHT not be the man's child so that means it OK to KILL IT?

kinda grasping at straws here aren't we?

I personally think, if a woman has the right to ABSOLVE herself from the responsibily of careing for a child then MEN should also have that right as well

like I said I am not anti abortion, I just think if a woman can just DECIDE to absolve herself from any and all responsibilty then men should have that SAME RIGHT

if you are not going to give EQUAL protection under the law then NEITHER should have that right

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:14:13 AM   
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Food for thought:

Darrell Issa and the overblown scandals

Washington Post columnist Dana Milbank argues, "He’s launched a dozen or so probes, but what often begins as a legitimate inquiry into government failure turns quickly into a lunge for the Oval Office, missing each time."


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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:20:14 AM   
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Of course not. I'm saying its illegal or immoral to only enforce the law on ones opponents and to wink-and-nod it away for ones friends. Ie., it is illegal and immoral to selectively prosecute. See. First. Post.

Do you support the "Stop and frisk" laws in NYC where people are stopped based on ethnicity and where they are because you think they might be thieves?

How is it different to profile groups that you think may be trying to cheat the American public out of money?

Both are profiling in the search for criminal activity.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:28:23 AM   
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well I suppose, if I were with a woman who sleeps around, I couldn't be sure, but I am also sure thats not usually the case...

really though, that the BEST you can come up with, it MIGHT not be the man's child so that means it OK to KILL IT?


Possession is 9/10's of the law, so I was always told. Always made me chuckle at that.. for reasons I doubt you could ever understand.

Your anger is quite... interesting. Your propensity to cap certain words quite.. humorous. Do you believe it makes any difference, other than disrupting the reading flow of your sentences? Its not like we can hear it.

Anyways, possession.

There is no doubt who the mother is. There can be every doubt as to the father. A woman doesnt have to "sleep around", which leads me to believe you just might be on a religious bent with this issue. The phrasing is quite distinctive, especially since we are posting on a BDSM kink web site.

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like I said I am not anti abortion, I just think if a woman can just DECIDE to absolve herself from any and all responsibilty then men should have that SAME RIGHT


To give HIM that same right, a woman would have to carry the fetus to term, or submit to a test that can cause multiple complications not only for the fetus but for the woman as well.

You do not have the right to hold a woman hostage to her womb through her pregnancy to wait in hopes that its determined you are the father.

Why is that important? How many men would do just that out of a sense of revenge or control? Piss off am ex... "you want an abortion, bitch, forget it.. suffer". Have a man who wants to control a woman's every movement, knock her up... now you are in full control because she is stuck, she cant get an abortion without your approval.

And what of the one's who would simply say "I think that is my kid! " While she claims another is.... wow.. talk about mass confusion. Now we have to wait because some joker decided he wanted to lay claim to something that may or may not be his.

What man would submit to such conditions upon his personal freedom?

You speak of women keeping their legs together. You speak of personal responsibility... what of men? They cant keep it in their pants? Unless you are donating, you are in the same boat with the personal accountability as the woman. And it really doesnt speak well of men. Its like you are saying men simply cant help themselves and turn to mental putty when a woman spreads her legs. Thats really.... a shame. But dont blame woman for your lack of ability to think.

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if you are not going to give EQUAL protection under the law then NEITHER should have that right


Want to know why that would never be "equal protection under the law?

Because slavery, non-consensual slavery, is against the Constitution.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:36:58 AM   
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Number of murders and attempted murders at or involving abortion providers since Roe: 21

Are you really arguing that that is ok? That groups like Operation Rescue should get designation as charities?

Just feeling it is the right thing to do is not worship or any other aspect of religion and therefore is not religious. The purpose of the protests is to prevent other people from accessing their rights. That is inherently a political action.


21 out of how many MILLIONS of protests, is a killing OK, no, but to assume any and every protest will result in violence of any kind is just well downright stupid

It is my experience, for many years I volunteered as an escort at clinics being protested, that all anti abortion protests are violent. The protesters try to physically block access to the entries, try to physically prevent women from getting out of their vehicles, assault and batter escorts as we brought women through them to the clinic doors, they break windows and doors, they slash tires and key cars, they attempt to gain entry and when they do they try and destroy as much of the clinic as they can etc. etc.

According to the NAF there have been
8 murders
17 attempted murders (they must have some I couldn't find by googling)
3 kidnappings
153 incidents of assault and battery (must be only those arrested)
41 bombings
173 arsons
91 attempted bombings or arsons
100 stink bomb attacks (butyric acid very foul stuff)
1264 incidents of vandalism

And it is doubtful there have been millions of protests. It has been 40 years since Roe. That's less than 15,000 days for there to have been millions of protests that would require 2M/15k= 133 protests per day.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:40:45 AM   
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How did this become an abortion thread?

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 11:44:49 AM   
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BitYakin whined because a forced birth group applied for 501(c)3 status and were told they couldn't get the status if they protested at clinics.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 1:30:16 PM   
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So you wouldn't give a flying fuck about abortion if it wasn't your kid getting scraped out of some poor cow who doesn't want to waste the next decade or two of her life cleaning up your mess, then?
Yeah, that's a highly moral response to the situation.

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 5:13:03 PM   
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To give HIM that same right, a woman would have to carry the fetus to term, or submit to a test that can cause multiple complications not only for the fetus but for the woman as well.


actualy NO the reverse is true, to give HIM that same right would mean if he didn't want the child, he should be absolved of responsibility the SAME as she is absolved of responsibility by aborting the fetus

women have the RIGHT to wash thier hand of all responsibilty by just deciding to abort, men sould have that SAME RIGHT

as for your comment about men keeping it in thier pants, you seem to forget I mentioned that VERY THING in my original post on the subject

that ALWAYS the rational for finacially ENSLAVING MEN but for women, well they can just walk away scott free if they just DECIDE TO

you mistakenly deicded that what I want is to be able to force women to keep the child, when the opposite is what I was getting at, if women get a free pass, then so should MEN

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RE: IRS - Selective Prosecution - 6/29/2013 5:16:13 PM   
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I never said any such thing, but go ahead and pretend I did

also if you read everything I posted, you'd know I never said I was anti abortion

all I said was if women get to wash thier hands of responsibilty then so should men be able to...

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