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tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 7:47:30 AM)
quote: If they kept cool I'm sure no one would have injured themself and everything would be solved in 10 minutes, if someone got injured are the officers to blame, and I'm sure deliberately acted in an overexcited way becuse they saw no real thread in 3 sorority girls with the intention to give them a lesson. You have no facts to support your assumption. I am merely going on the report given in the article. At this point, the police did nothing wrong. quote: What I also don't understand is this attitude if you have a badge you are always right whatever you behave, they didn't think before acting, to me it's obvious that in this situation (three girls in a dark place during night) if I just jump out abruptly and draw a gun without an uniform the girls will just panic, it's common sense. No one said the police are always right. They tazed a granny... Many here spoke out. They shot a kid.. many got angry and complained. Again, youa re going by assumptions here... and your assumptions in most cases are wrong. You live in a country 1/5th the population size of the US... and it barely would take up three states. Maybe you should utilize the search feature here. The Ohio rape case would be an eye opening experience as to how many people feel cops "do no wrong". [8\|]

Zonie63 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 7:51:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn I'm sorry, but an expensive BATF team bashing the vehicle windows of college kids, even if they actually had beer, what used to take one county cop to bust my sister for plants, is both egregiously inefficient and expensive, and egregiously over the top in any sense of actual concern for or good to society. I agree completely. This is what struck me about this case, not so much that the cops made a mistake, but that they're so overzealous about something like this. Law enforcement authorities constantly tell us how shorthanded they are, how they need more money, resources, and support from the general public. And yet, this is what they do with what resources they do have? It makes me think that they don't need more money, they just need more common sense and a more coherent set of priorities. There's a line I remember from S3E1 of "Dragnet" as a response to the view that police officers are human and humans make mistakes: "A man with a gun has no business making a mistake." Just like air traffic controllers, doctors, and others whose work can mean the difference between life and death, the consequences of mistakes are far greater than a cook at McDonald's burning the french fries. That's why society can and does hold them to a higher standard. The whole thing could have been avoided if they looked more closely at the package she was carrying (or simply gone into the store and asked the clerk what she bought). Their first duty should have been to pay attention and observe, and they obviously weren't doing that before they went in like gangbusters just because a 20-year-old college student buys a case of water, cookie dough, and ice cream.

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 7:57:34 AM)
quote: The whole thing could have been avoided if they looked more closely at the package she was carrying (or simply gone into the store and asked the clerk what she bought). If they were doing a sting on the store, why would they ask the one's who sold it?

eulero83 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 7:58:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: If they kept cool I'm sure no one would have injured themself and everything would be solved in 10 minutes, if someone got injured are the officers to blame, and I'm sure deliberately acted in an overexcited way becuse they saw no real thread in 3 sorority girls with the intention to give them a lesson. You have no facts to support your assumption. I am merely going on the report given in the article. of course, that's my opinion based on common sense quote: At this point, the police did nothing wrong. but also nothing smart

SimplyMichael -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 8:09:54 AM)
Cops fuck up, blame victim, no accountability. Ever wonder why people shoot cops? I don't.

Zonie63 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 8:44:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: The whole thing could have been avoided if they looked more closely at the package she was carrying (or simply gone into the store and asked the clerk what she bought). If they were doing a sting on the store, why would they ask the one's who sold it? If they were doing a sting on the store, why would they go after a customer instead of the clerk? I just think they should have been paying closer attention. How far away were they standing when they saw her? Did they actually witness the transaction or were their attentions somewhere else?

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 8:56:44 AM)
Those are all questions no one knows yet. The store is known to be heavily trafficked by college students.

FelineRanger -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 7:39:11 PM)
tazzygirl, I wonder about one thing. Are you law enforcement or related to someone in law enforcement? The reason I ask is that you've continued to defend these cops even though it's clear that they overreacted to the situation, even if nothing else is established just yet. Evidently, I'm not the only one who feels this way. FWIW, the more Aswad talks about Norway, the more I wish I could move there.

Aswad -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 8:50:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Would it be grand if an officer could be assured of his safety as he approaches a vehicle? What's that got to do with the color of beer in East Timor? The first and foremost concern is that the officer not cause problems that weren't preexisting. Go out to sting a store, end up getting bumped by a car full of college girls after bashing in the windows of said car, all of it under cover, drawing on unarmed civilians, over a sixpack of beer, without a success against the store. That's not even accomplishing a null result, it's accomplishing an additional problem on top of a null result. If I am contracted to solve a problem, I can't go to my customer and say "Well, I didn't solve your problem, but I towed your car, banged your wife and deleted your tax data, now where's my money?" without losing the contract, at best. It's pretty much what we're looking at here. The agents were there to solve a problem, and instead created an unrelated one that didn't exist until they got involved. It's nice if the police don't get shot in the line of duty, but that concern cannot be allowed to dictate how they perform their duties, or what duties they perform. IWYW, — Aswad.

imdmb -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 9:14:03 PM)
I'm related to cops, its how my mom knows she's allergic to marijuana, cause they always brought home the best parts of the raid and when she was six they told her to smell, one hospital trip later to get her able to breathe and a total of zero questions about how she was exposed to this and they were back at home getting baked while she slept upstairs alone I've heard people in my daily life defend this and I always ask them to ask themselves something. when half a dozen men walk up to you car, at night, drawing guns, trying to BREAK into your car, what do you do? if you say open the door for them then congratulations, you're going to get yourself raped. a lot. they didn't properly identify themselves, they drew weapons on unarmed non-combative civilians, they got the sting wrong in the first place, there is nothing that I see that went well in this, sometimes life flat out sucks

BamaD -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/2/2013 10:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imdmb I'm related to cops, its how my mom knows she's allergic to marijuana, cause they always brought home the best parts of the raid and when she was six they told her to smell, one hospital trip later to get her able to breathe and a total of zero questions about how she was exposed to this and they were back at home getting baked while she slept upstairs alone I've heard people in my daily life defend this and I always ask them to ask themselves something. when half a dozen men walk up to you car, at night, drawing guns, trying to BREAK into your car, what do you do? if you say open the door for them then congratulations, you're going to get yourself raped. a lot. they didn't properly identify themselves, they drew weapons on unarmed non-combative civilians, they got the sting wrong in the first place, there is nothing that I see that went well in this, sometimes life flat out sucks In other words they threw procedures out the window.

eulero83 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 3:22:17 AM)
To me it looks like the more about this story is they had orders to scare some kids and be rough, so that word would spread in the campus letting know the commonwealth of virginia takes seriuosly teen's alcholism, I mean 6 armed officers to bust some random group of college kids buying beer that pup out in such a noisy way, if it was not their intention to scare them they did the most stupid actions they could do, even if it was beer and it turns out the girl is 21 they blew the cover for nothing with all that noise. If they were 6 because they knew some trade of illegal produced alcholics was due I'm sure they would not have risked to miss it in order to go after some sorority girls. Tazzygirl this is my guess so please don't tell me it's nt supported by facts I already know. I totally agree with Aswad they created a lot of problem that were not, in this specific case the girl had nothing to hide so I really don't see how this could end with someone injured if they identified themself correctly.

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 4:12:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelineRanger tazzygirl, I wonder about one thing. Are you law enforcement or related to someone in law enforcement? The reason I ask is that you've continued to defend these cops even though it's clear that they overreacted to the situation, even if nothing else is established just yet. Evidently, I'm not the only one who feels this way. FWIW, the more Aswad talks about Norway, the more I wish I could move there. Nope and nope. No law enforcement in my family, or among my current group of friends. Im just not one to jump on the immediate band wagon of all cops are bad.

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 4:14:34 AM)
quote: I've heard people in my daily life defend this and I always ask them to ask themselves something. when half a dozen men walk up to you car, at night, drawing guns, trying to BREAK into your car, what do you do? if you say open the door for them then congratulations, you're going to get yourself raped. a lot. they didn't properly identify themselves, they drew weapons on unarmed non-combative civilians, they got the sting wrong in the first place, there is nothing that I see that went well in this, sometimes life flat out sucks And I have asked repeatedly for people to view this from the cops point of view. You approach someone, showing your badge, telling them who you are, and they scramble into their car, start the engine, and race out.... So far, we only have her side of the story.

eulero83 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 4:33:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: I've heard people in my daily life defend this and I always ask them to ask themselves something. when half a dozen men walk up to you car, at night, drawing guns, trying to BREAK into your car, what do you do? if you say open the door for them then congratulations, you're going to get yourself raped. a lot. they didn't properly identify themselves, they drew weapons on unarmed non-combative civilians, they got the sting wrong in the first place, there is nothing that I see that went well in this, sometimes life flat out sucks And I have asked repeatedly for people to view this from the cops point of view. You approach someone, showing your badge, telling them who you are, and they scramble into their car, start the engine, and race out.... So far, we only have her side of the story. There had already been a high number of person here, from other states or other countries, that told you that in the point of view of the officers reporting the plate number to the police department was the right thing to do in that situation, and if they are not able to spot a group of sorority girls with a card description and plate number they'll have serious issues when it's about real criminals, but I'm sure that's ot the case.

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 4:57:03 AM)
The only two that have mentioned a plate number were you and Aswad.... Im not even sure what you mean by a "card description".... And you seem to be "sure" of many things, when I have not stated I was "sure" of anything because... and read this closely.... We only have her story.

eulero83 -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 5:45:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl The only two that have mentioned a plate number were you and Aswad.... Im not even sure what you mean by a "card description".... And you seem to be "sure" of many things, when I have not stated I was "sure" of anything because... and read this closely.... We only have her story. I meant "car" not "card" it was a typing mistake, I just pressed the d without knowing. About having the plate number, if 7 officers are not able to memorize a plate number of a car flying from the scene they are idiots and not fit to do this kind of job period, than you told she was stopped by the patrol car so or there actually was a way to identify the suv or the agent was a sensitive. About having only her story in the original source I read this: "Charlottesville Commonwealth's Attorney Dave Chapman read Daly's account and said it was factually consistent." so for what I understand her story is supported by facts and that's why she was released. By the way yes I have opinions.

thishereboi -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 6:06:29 AM)
quote: They call them "pigs" for a reason. Because they are ignorant bigots? [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 6:17:28 AM)
quote: About having the plate number, if 7 officers are not able to memorize a plate number of a car flying from the scene they are idiots and not fit to do this kind of job period, than you told she was stopped by the patrol car so or there actually was a way to identify the suv or the agent was a sensitive. Its not about memorizing a license plate... its not about finding them later... what happens "later" to the evidence (supposing there had been evidence)? Hind sight is 20/20 and so easy to judge. As far as "factually consistent", no one is disputing the "facts" of this issue. Other than the insistence that the windows were broken.

thishereboi -> RE: psycho agents terrify college students (7/3/2013 6:18:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Note that, around these parts, if you're stopped by police, one of them will approach you (unarmed, of course), and there will be no fuss about things like hands on the wheel or whatever (indeed, they'll appreciate if you dig out your licence and registration while they're approaching, so as to save them some time waiting for you to do so later). Unless you get violent, you'll have a pleasant, polite conversation and be on your way. If you do go medieval on the cop that approached you, the other one will radio for backup. They will not worry about it until and unless it happens, however. What you're describing is either an authoritarian culture, or a culture of fear, or both. We don't have that here, and that's not a matter of laws. IWYW, — Aswad. that's also what happens here, police officers stop a fixed number of random cars in every shift so it happened to me a lot of times to be stopped, one unarmed officer (usually the highest in rank) approaches the car the other one has a weapon and stay close to their car, they just ask for licence and registration so the one close to the car checks on a computer if the car is stolen, if the person has pending criminal charges and staff like this, if everything if fine you go in 10 minutes. I've beed stopped like 20 or 30 times in 11 years, and only once the officer acted like a jerk, being a bit rude not drawing a gun or stuff like that, also when I've been stopped for an infraction they listened my explanation and reported a different infraction with a cheeper fine. And we have big time criminals here too. So you are saying that they can randomly stop any car without cause and check out the driver? Here they have to have a reason before they can pull you over. I think if they tried that here people would be having a bloody fit.

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