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I'm sure college administration has a register of students, if a phone call by the police to the administrative office is not enough to have this informations you report it and the next time a patrol car see the plate number will stop it. As aswad said it was just a sixpack. The officer don't need to know she called 911 it's the district attorney that needs to know as she did avoided arrest what I don't understand is the need to act immediatly with force instead of reporting the facts. You never take an accounting for true by definition but if it's supported by a coherent behaviour yes, sure.
I wrote what happens in Italy if you are stopped in the previous post, and I tell this again we have big time criminals here too, I mean surnames like Luciano, Gambino, Capone, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno, Colombo, Guardalobene etc. where do you think they come from??

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Cops fuck up, blame victim, no accountability.

Ever wonder why people shoot cops?

I don't.

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The whole thing could have been avoided if they looked more closely at the package she was carrying (or simply gone into the store and asked the clerk what she bought).

If they were doing a sting on the store, why would they ask the one's who sold it?

If they were doing a sting on the store, why would they go after a customer instead of the clerk?

I just think they should have been paying closer attention. How far away were they standing when they saw her? Did they actually witness the transaction or were their attentions somewhere else?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

They werent even NC....

Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control

Their badge...

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Virginia Police Badge

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wow.. those look like they came outta a cracker jack box

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Aswad


Note that, around these parts, if you're stopped by police, one of them will approach you (unarmed, of course), and there will be no fuss about things like hands on the wheel or whatever (indeed, they'll appreciate if you dig out your licence and registration while they're approaching, so as to save them some time waiting for you to do so later). Unless you get violent, you'll have a pleasant, polite conversation and be on your way. If you do go medieval on the cop that approached you, the other one will radio for backup. They will not worry about it until and unless it happens, however.

What you're describing is either an authoritarian culture, or a culture of fear, or both.

We don't have that here, and that's not a matter of laws.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

that's also what happens here, police officers stop a fixed number of random cars in every shift so it happened to me a lot of times to be stopped, one unarmed officer (usually the highest in rank) approaches the car the other one has a weapon and stay close to their car, they just ask for licence and registration so the one close to the car checks on a computer if the car is stolen, if the person has pending criminal charges and staff like this, if everything if fine you go in 10 minutes. I've beed stopped like 20 or 30 times in 11 years, and only once the officer acted like a jerk, being a bit rude not drawing a gun or stuff like that, also when I've been stopped for an infraction they listened my explanation and reported a different infraction with a cheeper fine. And we have big time criminals here too.

So you are saying that they can randomly stop any car without cause and check out the driver? Here they have to have a reason before they can pull you over. I think if they tried that here people would be having a bloody fit.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I'm sure college administration has a register of students, if a phone call by the police to the administrative office is not enough to have this informations you report it and the next time a patrol car see the plate number will stop it. As aswad said it was just a sixpack. The officer don't need to know she called 911 it's the district attorney that needs to know as she did avoided arrest what I don't understand is the need to act immediatly with force instead of reporting the facts. You never take an accounting for true by definition but if it's supported by a coherent behaviour yes, sure.
I wrote what happens in Italy if you are stopped in the previous post, and I tell this again we have big time criminals here too, I mean surnames like Luciano, Gambino, Capone, Lucchese, Genovese, Bonanno, Colombo, Guardalobene etc. where do you think they come from??

It wasn't a six pack, it was water. From your posts I get the idea that you think it would be ok to just go ahead and send them a ticket for something they hadn't actually done. And if they can't get an address to send the ticket then they should actively look for the car and pull it over. Then what? Are you going to fine the driver because someone driving that van carried a paper bag out to it one night? Would you really be ok with paying a fine for something you hadn't even done? Sorry but I would have to call bullshit on this one.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No law enforcement in my family, or among my current group of friends.

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Im just not one to jump on the immediate band wagon of all cops are bad.

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About having the plate number, if 7 officers are not able to memorize a plate number of a car flying from the scene they are idiots and not fit to do this kind of job period, than you told she was stopped by the patrol car so or there actually was a way to identify the suv or the agent was a sensitive.

Its not about memorizing a license plate... its not about finding them later... what happens "later" to the evidence (supposing there had been evidence)?

Hind sight is 20/20 and so easy to judge.

As far as "factually consistent", no one is disputing the "facts" of this issue. Other than the insistence that the windows were broken.

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evidence??? for an hypotetical box of 12 bottles of beer, as I told before I just can't understand why there is a special agency just for alchol beverages control and with 7 armed officers to check college students grocery.

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Death: 1,825 college students between the ages of 18 and 24 die from alcohol-related unintentional injuries, including motor vehicle crashes

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Have you travelled to other first world countries to compare what police are like in different places?

IWYW,
— Aswad.

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Might want to consider why there were 6 officers there in one location... hmmm... ponder that for a while.

Might also want to consider why they approached that female... hmm... another possible clue. Im sure its not easy to tell the difference between a 20 year old and a 21 year old.

This is why I keep saying... we have only her side of the story.

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As far as why there is a branch devoted to ABC.... another possible thing you may want to ponder... what are the alcohol death rates in your country?

In 2000 out of 7,096 casualties only 103 were reported as caused by Drink Driving, whereas in 2008 out of 4,739 road deaths 204 were due to alcohol abuse. This is a considerably high number but still underestimated if Health Ministry’s figures are taken into account. ISS (the Italian Health Institute) says that 30% of the car accident are alcohol correlated.


http://www.etsc.eu/documents/Drink-Driving_Italy.pdf

2011 Alcohol-Impaired Driving Fatality Data

Total Alcohol-Impaired Driving Fatalities 224

http://www.centurycouncil.org/state-facts/virginia

So, for your whole country, Virginia has more deaths... one state compared to your whole country.

North Carolina had 366
South Carolina had 314
Pennsylvania had 407

And in eash state, roughly 10% were due to underage drivers. This doesnt take into account deaths by alcohol poisoning, especially a favorite from college students

There are approximately 80,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1

http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm

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Death: 1,825 college students between the ages of 18 and 24 die from alcohol-related unintentional injuries, including motor vehicle crashes

http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statssummaries/snapshot.aspx

So, maybe some pondering as to why we have what we have in the US, compared to your country, might be in order.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

Pst... ABC officers ARE real cops.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

Pst... ABC officers ARE real cops.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

Pst... ABC officers ARE real cops.

if they were not b class cops they would use the same badge

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Ok but driving under influence is a different thing, it's forbidden at any age.

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But if you have a driving licence here you can also legally drink because 18 it's the age for both of them

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

Pst... ABC officers ARE real cops.

if they were not b class cops they would use the same badge

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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It's not what I meant, I meant that even if it were a six pack the mess they did was overreacting, if they wanted to charge them for avoiding arrest becuase their frustration than they could have called real cops. The fact it was water and not beer makes this whole situation ridicolouse to me.

Pst... ABC officers ARE real cops.

if they were not b class cops they would use the same badge

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

... I just can't understand why there is a special agency just for alchol beverages control and with 7 armed officers to check college students grocery.