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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1



Everything in this story runs counter to normal procedure, but since its in the media it must be true,

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tazzygirl felineranger asked you if you were law enforcement or relative to one, but I'm beginning to think it's another thing, have you relatives or friends involved in serious accident caused by intoxicated minors, or being intoxicated during a party in college? because it seems you bear a grudge against sorority girls.

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I didn't want to discuss if the right drinking age is 21 or 18 or 15 that's your problem as a country, and if there is a law must be enforced, but the way they enforced it and the way they dealt with safety was over the limits, even if she was known to the autorties to be a party girl.

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When I said that driving under influence is different it's because it creates an immediate danger as it involves driving, that I think it is a bigger responsibility than drinking a beer, carrying a closed box of beer is not, and when it comes out it's just water, it's a double faliure.

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

it's probably the third time I say it, I don't question the right of police to question someone or the fact police is meant to enforce a law, but that's officers responsibility to act in order to guarantee safety both their and of the suspect, not vice versa, and keeping it cool is the first step. A similar situation in italy occours when you are asked to show the official receipt outside a shop, it's mandatory for the shop to give one as it register taxes, I never heard they draw a gun (even if they have one), and I think that most will panic if they did.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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it's probably the third time I say it, I don't question the right of police to question someone or the fact police is meant to enforce a law, but that's officers responsibility to act in order to guarantee safety both their and of the suspect, not vice versa, and keeping it cool is the first step. A similar situation in italy occours when you are asked to show the official receipt outside a shop, it's mandatory for the shop to give one as it register taxes, I never heard they draw a gun (even if they have one), and I think that most will panic if they did.

Ohhhhhhhhhh so, according to you, its perfectly acceptable to evade police by having a panic attack. I will notify some law firms and let them know you are writing new laws for the US.

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I told you there are things that can be dealt later and for me this was one, but yes if you sincerely fear for your life it's acceptable to run, than a judge will decide if exonerate you or not and your feeling in danger was proven as sincere. I mean if it's acceptable to kill someone for the same reason...

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Not quite. Licensed supermarkets, convenience stores, and gas stations may sell beer and wine. Off-premises sales no later than 12 midnight. Numerous dry counties exist.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control

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Virginia Police Badge

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn
That's what 20 yr. old college girls were trying to make out in the dark, though the badges are quite unrealistically oversized in the above.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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tazzygirl felineranger asked you if you were law enforcement or relative to one, but I'm beginning to think it's another thing, have you relatives or friends involved in serious accident caused by intoxicated minors, or being intoxicated during a party in college? because it seems you bear a grudge against sorority girls.

huh? Again, you are assuming things not in evidence. The answer to your questions are no.

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I didn't want to discuss if the right drinking age is 21 or 18 or 15 that's your problem as a country, and if there is a law must be enforced, but the way they enforced it and the way they dealt with safety was over the limits, even if she was known to the autorties to be a party girl.

Then you should not have brought up ages.

You do realize police have the right to detain someone for questioning. You also do realize that resisting that detainment can be taken quite seriously. Even the ACLU recommends people not resist.

Cops came forward, she jumped into the vehicle (resisting), started the car, and ran off (again, resisting).

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When I said that driving under influence is different it's because it creates an immediate danger as it involves driving, that I think it is a bigger responsibility than drinking a beer, carrying a closed box of beer is not, and when it comes out it's just water, it's a double faliure.

Italian police are not allowed to stop and question you?

Q: Can the police stop me to ask me questions or to pat me down?

A: Yes, but they cannot press you for information or make you stay much longer after you make it clear to them that you have no knowledge of the subject of their questions. If the officer has reasonable suspicion that a crime is about to occur, based on his own observations of the surroundings, he may pat you down for weapons only.

http://www.shannonbedoislaw.com/legal-practice/criminal-defense/police-detainment/

Law Firm.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States.

Police may briefly detain a person if they have reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime. Many state laws explicitly grant this authority; in Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court established it in all jurisdictions, regardless of explicit mention in state or local laws. Police may conduct a limited search for weapons (known as a “frisk”) if they reasonably suspect that the person to be detained may be armed and dangerous.

Police may question a person detained in a Terry stop, but in general, the detainee is not required to answer.[10] However, many states have “stop and identify” laws that explicitly require a person detained under the conditions of Terry to identify himself to police, and in some cases, provide additional information.

Before Hiibel, it was unresolved whether a detainee could be arrested and prosecuted for refusing to disclose his name. Authority on this issue was split among the federal circuit courts of appeal,[11] and the U.S. Supreme Court twice expressly refused to address the question.[12] In Hiibel, the Court held, in a 5–4 decision, that a Nevada “stop and identify” law did not violate the United States Constitution. The Court’s opinion implied that a detainee was not required to produce written identification, but could satisfy the requirement merely by stating his name. Some “stop and identify” laws do not require that a detainee identify himself, but allow refusal to do so to be considered along with other factors in determining whether there is probable cause to arrest. In some states, providing a false name is an offense.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes#Detention

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How were they stopped? The excuse is that they started the car.. and they had to have the car started to roll down the windows. No, you simply turn the car on, you dont have to crank the engine to roll down windows.


But did they know that, in the service I once helped a LT who didn't know you had to pop the clutch when push starting his car.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

by what lawful authority (the fact they have guns and will shoot you notwithstanding) does the state have to force anyone to identify themselves.

show us the contract.

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Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control

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Virginia Police Badge

That's what 20 yr. old college girls were trying to make out in the dark, though the badges are quite unrealistically oversized in the above.


Here's the distinction that VA ABC officers had to deal with in the bright light of the girls coming out of the store:






The 12 packs are about 10-12 times bigger than the badges, and with significantly greater distinction in any case.


OK, so who are the professionals here?


We are left wondering what training those ABC folks had. One would think that if their specialty was alcohol law enforcement, they might be trained in the distinction between beer and water.

I think it's obvious that their training emphasized the latest in SWAT tactics above all else. I think that all modern day LE training emphasizes SWAT tactics above all else. Common sense is so retro.

I mean, seriously.