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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 11:52:46 AM   
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Things are looking better.....and safer......and more promising in Iran....


Not that you give a shit......

You're correct...I don't give a shit that things are looking better, or not....and safer, or not....and more promising, or not in Iran...

Things have never looked worse....and more dangerous....and less promising in America....

Not that you give a shit.....

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 11:58:39 AM   
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Youre already missing the point. Moaning about everything Obama is his style. I was on about the OP, title and all.

I have also pointed out dubiour web sites he considers to be information. His link is part of his post, and if its a racist web site, I am doing nothing wrong pointing that out..

Of course, we could all hold our breath and wait for credible links. What say you ?

BTW.......Your comment I have said this MANY times, not here but other places, the islamic community has no use for democracy except to vote for a theocracy! has little to do with the reality. Why try and lump all Muslims as one ?

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 12:05:24 PM   
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Things have never looked worse....and more dangerous....and less promising in America....

Not even . . .

-- moments of near defeat in the Revolution?
-- the burning of Washington in 1814?
-- the Civil War?
-- the KKK and lynchings?
-- the brutal treatment of Gilded Age workers and crushing of their strikes?
-- the Great Depression?
-- Pearl Harbor?
-- Jim Crow laws and the violence deployed to uphold them?
-- JFK's assassination?
-- riots in the sixties?
-- stagflation and energy crises in the seventies?
-- 9/11?

While I certainly had my disagreements with President Reagan, he seems to have been the last conservative who didn't sink into whining and naysaying.



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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 12:08:28 PM   
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quote:

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Things are looking better.....and safer......and more promising in Iran....


Not that you give a shit......

You're correct...I don't give a shit that things are looking better, or not....and safer, or not....and more promising, or not in Iran...

Things have never looked worse....and more dangerous....and less promising in America....

Not that you give a shit.....

Yeah
The economy is slowly improving.
We're not torturing people anymore
Our sons and daughters are no longer getting killed or maimed in Iraq for no reason and doing nothing constructive
We are actually fighting and defeating Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan
OBL is rotting on the ocean floor
We have an imperfect but important first step in controlling health care costs
We've made quite a bit of progress on alternative energy sources
We still have an American automobile industry.

I guess the guys over at stormfront probably see that as worse and more dangerous than ever before but the rest of us don't really see things that way.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 2:10:20 PM   
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I guess the guys over at stormfront probably see that as worse and more dangerous than ever before but the rest of us don't really see things that way.
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don't assume you speak for the REST OF US, you may speak for some but I think aprox 1/2 the country doesn't see it as you do

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/4/2013 2:28:04 PM   
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Youre already missing the point. Moaning about everything Obama is his style. I was on about the OP, title and all.

I have also pointed out dubiour web sites he considers to be information. His link is part of his post, and if its a racist web site, I am doing nothing wrong pointing that out..

Of course, we could all hold our breath and wait for credible links. What say you ?

BTW.......Your comment I have said this MANY times, not here but other places, the islamic community has no use for democracy except to vote for a theocracy! has little to do with the reality. Why try and lump all Muslims as one ?



wether he bemoans anything obama or not, doesn't change the fact that's not what you said, you claimed he was moaning about the events taking place in egypt

as for dubious sites he uses, soo what in that article are you saying were not accurate?

except you DID NOT point out that site is racist at ALL!

if you had DONE any of the things you actually are now CLAIMING you did I wouldn't have said a word!

as for why lump all muslems as one, OK fine show me the country where they took control of the country and didn't set up a theocracy!

you claim there is an execption, OK fine show it to me!

pakistan? they claim to be a democracy, yet isn't that the country where a young girl was mobbed for alegedly burning pages of the quran?

isn't that a country where people are routinly put to death by the gov't for daring to speak out against islam?

or is there some other country you wish to hold up as a SHINING EXAMPLE???

I am actually proud of the egyptian people, if this works out they will be the FIRST mainly islamic country to to throw off the theocracy and brutality of islamics

and I atribute this to the relative peace and civilized society they lived in under the guy they recently threw out. funny how they threw him out for oppressing the VERY PEOPLE they are now throwing out themselves!

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 1:22:37 PM   
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the caucusuoid, mongoloid, and negroid days are long behind us. It turns out it wasn't right.




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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 1:35:59 PM   
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The scientific dispute over the meaning of "race" aside, everyone know what is meant by the term "racism"

It is bigotry and stereotyping of an individual etnic group.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 1:47:46 PM   
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the caucusuoid, mongoloid, and negroid days are long behind us. It turns out it wasn't right.

To be fair, he said that's what he was taught in the 8th grade. It's just sad he hasn't learned anything since that time.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 2:01:58 PM   
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the caucusuoid, mongoloid, and negroid days are long behind us. It turns out it wasn't right.






"Genetics?" Not races?
So, God created three races BUT,.....some sociologists decide to create ...more?
So,...can we expect more "races" in the next year or two? Will they find EVEN MORE?
Who'da thunk?
Newsflash! "New race found in Minnesotta!" "Globalwarmious-knuckledragious" genus.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 2:04:18 PM   
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No, god didn't create shit, first of all and there are no 'races'.

Don't know where you get such stupid shit from.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 2:16:52 PM   
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No, god didn't create shit, first of all and there are no 'races'.

Don't know where you get such stupid shit from.



Tail, so you're going to believe some Uni's sociology dept who got a *govt. grant* and came up with that B.S.?
What did they call it I wonder; "The Missing Link Project?"
Boy, they always take the money, don't they?

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 2:18:26 PM   
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I would believe them sooner than some trougher welfare patient, who has demonstrated one of the rarest dearths of intellect known to man.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 5:40:15 PM   
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So, God created three races BUT,.....some sociologists decide to create ...more?

There are no races. Biologists distuinguish populations instead.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 10:37:55 PM   
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You must think "Irish" and "Scottish" are differant "races" than German or French! lol

The Scots and Irish are Celts. The German and French are Germanic. they do not share the same ancestry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/5/2013 11:15:58 PM   
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You must think "Irish" and "Scottish" are differant "races" than German or French! lol

The Scots and Irish are Celts. The German and French are Germanic. they do not share the same ancestry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples



OK but does that make them differant racialy or differant culturaly?

I read the first link and I never once saw the word race used, but I did see the word culture used


The Celts (/ˈkɛlts/, occasionally /ˈsɛlts/, see pronunciation of Celtic) or Kelts were an ethno-linguistic ( Ethnolinguistics (sometimes called cultural linguistics)[1] is a field of linguistics which studies the relationship between language and culture) group of tribal societies in Iron Age and Medieval Europe who spoke Celtic languages and had a similar culture,[1] although the relationship between the ethnic, linguistic and cultural elements remains uncertain and controversial.

The earliest archaeological culture that may justifiably be considered as Proto-Celtic is the Late Bronze Age Urnfield culture of central Europe from the last quarter of the second millennium BC.[2] Their fully Celtic[2] descendants in central Europe were the people of the Iron Age Hallstatt culture (c. 800–450 BC) named for the rich grave finds in Hallstatt, Austria.[3] By the later La Tène period (c. 450 BC up to the Roman conquest), this Celtic culture had expanded over a wide range of regions, whether by diffusion or migration: to the British Isles (Insular Celts), France and The Low Countries (Gauls), Bohemia, Poland and much of Central Europe, the Iberian Peninsula (Celtiberians, Celtici and Gallaeci) and northern Italy (OPPPS I think that INCLUDES FRANCE and GERMANY)(Golaseccans and Cisalpine Gauls)[4] and following the Gallic invasion of the Balkans in 279 BC as far east as central Anatolia (Galatians).[5]

I think racialy all 4 would have be considered caucasian also known as european

ya know what though, I don't disagree with what you and whoever else it was that called it racism, its commonly considered racism when you catagorize any group based on culture wether or not there is any actual racial differance...

but to be honest the more correct term would be bigot or bigotry

Definition of RACISM
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

and I'll readily admit to being a bigot where islam is concerned, I find them to be stuck in the middle ages and the least evolved group on the planet!

at thier very BEST they are stuck in literal biblical times! when a woman could be EXECUTED for simply DANCING or SMILING at a man!

I find it hard to beleive people who are so ademtly against the "religious right" would actually stick up for the most opressive religion on the face of the planet!

you dam people who as far as I can are actually (in thier minds) trying to protect innocent lives, and stick up for people kill main burn and blow up any and everyone who doesn't agree with them

it just BAFFLES me to no end

I can think of but one single explination, you too are bigots, only your bigotry is against republicans, who are actually your fellow americans

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/6/2013 7:19:00 AM   
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You must think "Irish" and "Scottish" are differant "races" than German or French! lol

The Scots and Irish are Celts. The German and French are Germanic. they do not share the same ancestry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples



OK but does that make them differant racialy or differant culturaly?

I read the first link and I never once saw the word race used, but I did see the word culture used


The Celts (/ˈkɛlts/, occasionally /ˈsɛlts/, see pronunciation of Celtic) or Kelts were an ethno-linguistic ( Ethnolinguistics (sometimes called cultural linguistics)[1] is a field of linguistics which studies the relationship between language and culture) group of tribal societies in Iron Age and Medieval Europe who spoke Celtic languages and had a similar culture,[1] although the relationship between the ethnic, linguistic and cultural elements remains uncertain and controversial.

The earliest archaeological culture that may justifiably be considered as Proto-Celtic is the Late Bronze Age Urnfield culture of central Europe from the last quarter of the second millennium BC.[2] Their fully Celtic[2] descendants in central Europe were the people of the Iron Age Hallstatt culture (c. 800–450 BC) named for the rich grave finds in Hallstatt, Austria.[3] By the later La Tène period (c. 450 BC up to the Roman conquest), this Celtic culture had expanded over a wide range of regions, whether by diffusion or migration: to the British Isles (Insular Celts), France and The Low Countries (Gauls), Bohemia, Poland and much of Central Europe, the Iberian Peninsula (Celtiberians, Celtici and Gallaeci) and northern Italy (OPPPS I think that INCLUDES FRANCE and GERMANY)(Golaseccans and Cisalpine Gauls)[4] and following the Gallic invasion of the Balkans in 279 BC as far east as central Anatolia (Galatians).[5]

I think racialy all 4 would have be considered caucasian also known as European

If you had read the thread you would no there are no such thing as races of humans. All we really have are ethnic groups. As I just showed, Celts and Germanic peoples are separate ethnic groups that originated in different places (BTW just because the Celts used to live in France and Germany doesn't mean the people who live there now are descended from Celts.)

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and I'll readily admit to being a bigot where islam is concerned, I find them to be stuck in the middle ages and the least evolved group on the planet!

at thier very BEST they are stuck in literal biblical times! when a woman could be EXECUTED for simply DANCING or SMILING at a man!

I find it hard to beleive people who are so ademtly against the "religious right" would actually stick up for the most opressive religion on the face of the planet!

you dam people who as far as I can are actually (in thier minds) trying to protect innocent lives, and stick up for people kill main burn and blow up any and everyone who doesn't agree with them

it just BAFFLES me to no end

I can think of but one single explination, you too are bigots, only your bigotry is against republicans, who are actually your fellow americans

I oppose all religion so you made a big leap there. However let me try and help you out with an idea, there are hundreds of millions of Muslims and their beliefs and culture run the spectrum from ultra fundamentalist to ultra liberal just like every other religious group. Is my friend Mo who is Muslim but does not execute anyone for anything and is no different in his attitudes and behavior from any other American bad because he goes to mosque on Friday instead of church on Sunday? Why would you hate him? What has he done to you?


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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/6/2013 8:19:25 AM   
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I can think of but one single explination, you too are bigots, only your bigotry is against republicans, who are actually your fellow americans

Attack the post, not the poster.

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/6/2013 3:36:13 PM   
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If you had read the thread you would no there are no such thing as races of humans. All we really have are ethnic groups. As I just showed, Celts and Germanic peoples are separate ethnic groups that originated in different places (BTW just because the Celts used to live in France and Germany doesn't mean the people who live there now are descended from Celts.)



sooo for all intents and purposes you are saying I am right, that racism wasn't the correct term?

you see earlier you contented the scott and irish were racially differant from french and gemans because of differant ancestory, nowww you say well there just ethinicly differant, which I think is what popeye said and I pointed out....

just so we are clear here, and I am asking not trying to put words in your mouth here, are you saying there is not such thing as racial differance? that there is only a SINGLE race on the planet the HUMAN RACE, and that genetics is basicly hogwash???

that if you go back far enough we are all decended from "adam and eve" and I don't mean that in the religious sense, but in the sense that we all decended from a single source?

and thats OK, I'd even concede that possibility, but then you have to admit that there are NO RACES PERIOD, birds fish mammals if you go back FAR ENOUGH are all decended form some SINGLE COMMON SPARK OF LIFE

I think I lean more towards the differant races in that at some point, species split, forked may be a better term, that its even possible humankind may have decended from more than one source at some point.... and I do not know that, but it POSSIBLE that caucasians decended from say chimpanze while the negro decended from say maybe gorilla and maybe asian from orangatuan. and again I am not proposing that as FACT, just possible, and thereby creating three seperate distinct races, then from those three races a multitude of culture evovled...


now on to your religious comments

I may be mistaken but I think it was you and I that were talkng about abortion on another thread and you contended that to protest at an abortion clinic absolutley posotively HAD to be a political issue. that it was NOT POSSIBLE for a religious group to protest an abortion clinic for purely religious and/or moral issues, I think you even called then TERRORISTS
and I could be mistaken, it was awhile back and maybe that was someone else, so if I am wrong I apologize now

anyhow the point is, if you get to claim that, by virtue of thier religion being opposed to abortion that EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN who opposes abortion is politically motivated and a terrorist to boot, then I get to claim every single islamic is......

and the old saying goes, you are known by the company you keep! if I hang out with gangsters I have to accept people wll assume I am gangster, if I hang out with drug using hippies I have to accept people will assume I am drug using hippie.

are there exceptins to this rule, OF COURSE, are there mulsems who are not terrorists of course. all I am saying is if you choose to align yourself with a group I will assume at the very least you are SYPMATHETIC to thier cause, and tolerant of thier tactics...

why would I hate him, what has he done to me?

thats simple, because he CHOSES to align himself with a group who from what I can tell absolutley HATES ME AND MY WAY OF LIFE, what has he done, to me nothing presonally, but he has endorsed a group that as a whole seems intent on the destruction of my entire way of life!

are you saying if you had been alive during WW2 and some person openly acknowledged he was a NAZI you'd welcome him with open arms?

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RE: How's that Arab Spring working out for ya President... - 7/6/2013 4:03:14 PM   
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The German and French are Germanic.


Er, what? I can just feel lots of Frenchies bristling at that!


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