RE: What is your truth? (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

[Poll]

What is your truth?


Truth is subjective/relative.
  47% (23)
Truth is absolute.
  52% (25)


Total Votes : 48
(last vote on : 7/11/2013 3:38:13 PM)
(Poll will run till: -- )


Message

MrBukani -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:21:30 AM)

double post due to bad internet connection.[:D]



MrBukani -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:31:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

Truth is absolute.

Belief is subjective.

I may believe X is true, someone else may believe it is false.

It cannot be both. One of us is therefore wrong.

I was actually lookin for this reasoning, thanks.





MrBukani -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:40:07 AM)

I was lookin at the wiki of truth and found a better truth.

Druids were explained as dru widas translated formally as widas=knowing/wisdom and dru=oak

I never got that

Truth is probably dru=tru= old german for true= faithfull

Wich would make the right translation of druid, faithfull wisdom.

Guess we learn more about the truth the more we investigate.

Translations are always a bitch to add to the misconception; faithfull in english the german 'true' in dutch that is 'trouw' means a sort of loyal as well,
instead of the faith of believing.

So maybe even better loyal to wisdom like the word philosophy is translated into a friend or child of knowledge/wisdom.



Rule -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:46:17 AM)

There is absolute truth, and often I am able to discern it. Many of the posters on these forums lack that ability.



Hillwilliam -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:47:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne




ok but truth cannot come into existence without first being a belief.




I disagree.
There are many well documented instances that would disprove this.

One of the more well reported one is a practice by some of the militias in Africa who will go to a witch doctor before an anticipated battle to have him cast a spell making them impervious to bullets.
These soldiers believe this spell to be totally effective.

Then the truth hits.



Rule -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:51:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the word beauty doesnt even apply since it could never rank as a fact.

I disagree. I usually can very well discern between a beautiful woman and an ugly one.

I also think that beauty can be expressed mathematically and / or genetically.



cordeliasub -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:54:40 AM)

I think it depends (how's that for a weasely answer lol.

My truth is that Mozart's compositions are boring and mathematical. That is not everyone's truth.

However, I own a mati-tzu dog and a Hyundai Tucson. That is the truth, and there's really no "subjectivity" about it. If someone else's truth is that I own a put bull and a corvette, they can believe it all they want - but they'd be wrong.



Rule -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 8:54:44 AM)

Quite.



Real0ne -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:13:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

When the sun sets we see beautifull purple and red skies.
During midday it looks blue.
The consensus of calling blue blue and red red gives us the ability to discern and reason.
The colorblind have a defect wich distorts reality.
Reality is an absolute truth.



ok but truth cannot come into existence without first being a belief.




Maybe for scientists yes, but truth can also come unexpected without any belief.
I wonder if a baby believes... I think it's more of a spunge that absorbes information indiscriminatly.



well your conclusions about any thing unless readily provable as a truth is a belief. The composite of your beliefs is your religion. Acting upon your beliefs is the exercise of your religion. If we were limited to acting upon proven fact alone we would accomplish Borg standards.

Religion creates the colorful part of life, of which much truth can be eventually derived.









Real0ne -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:15:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the word beauty doesnt even apply since it could never rank as a fact.

I disagree. I usually can very well discern between a beautiful woman and an ugly one.

I also think that beauty can be expressed mathematically and / or genetically.




well be my guest and take your best shot as proving it as a "fact".

seems to me you are walking out on a philosophical short plank on that one.



OrionTheWolf -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:16:13 AM)

~FR~

People mistake perception for truth. Perception may color truth differently for each person, but it requires deeper investigation and understanding when perception colors truth.

Three different perspectives could all be the truth, because each person is describing it how they perceive it. Upon closer examination someone who is objective may learn that truth (that they are all correct) and why.

Too often people will say that their perception and opinion is correct because truth is subjective, but that is often just an excuse to not look deeper or to not look at an unpleasant truth.



Real0ne -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:23:00 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne




ok but truth cannot come into existence without first being a belief.




I disagree.
There are many well documented instances that would disprove this.

One of the more well reported one is a practice by some of the militias in Africa who will go to a witch doctor before an anticipated battle to have him cast a spell making them impervious to bullets.
These soldiers believe this spell to be totally effective.

Then the truth hits.



The result evidences the truth or lack of it.

I have stated this before in one of spanish master whatever his moniker the process of cognizance, to belief, to religion as the theological and philosophical manner in which the brain brings things into existence when we were discussing what a religion is.

Pretty much the composite of anything you believe and act upon as a matter of free, (as in free from franchise), volition is "your" religion. and this applies to any person living or artificial that has the ability to act or cause another to act.

No truth or fact can exist without first being a belief.





MrBukani -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:35:07 AM)

Well I admit I might have been wrong in askin what is YOUR truth, instead of what is THE truth.
Same as I could have added more options then two.
Truth is I'm human and imperfect.

But be that as it may be, I still believe the truth is either yes or no.
There is no maybe in the truth.

Thanks for the adding of perception orionwolf.
It is very true we hold truth for what we percieve in senses.
[:D]I'm gonna roll over and bark twice.
woofwoof.



Rule -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:35:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule
quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the word beauty doesnt even apply since it could never rank as a fact.

I disagree. I usually can very well discern between a beautiful woman and an ugly one.

I also think that beauty can be expressed mathematically and / or genetically.

well be my guest and take your best shot as proving it as a "fact".

seems to me you are walking out on a philosophical short plank on that one.


quote:

Mathematical beauty describes the notion that some mathematicians may derive aesthetic pleasure from their work, and from mathematics in general.


quote:

During the European Renaissance, renowned artists and architects used an equation known as the "golden ratio" to map out their masterpieces. Thousands of years later, scientists adopted this mathematical formula to help explain why some people are considered beautiful…and others are not.


quote:

the first step to understanding this phenomenon is to go deeper into the mathematically different ways you can be attractive.


quote:

mathematicians, driven by a passion for beauty, discover truth along the way


quote:

During Europe's Renaissance, artists like Leonardo DaVinci recognized math's importance in painting and the ancient Greeks investigated musical scales in terms of numerical ratios. Today, math is an important component of digital graphics and animation.


quote:

What we consider to be beautiful in nature, art, or music often differs from culture to culture. But somehow, there seem to be constants — commonalities in how we as human beings "see" beauty. Where does that "sense" of beauty and order come from? And what does algebra or geometry have to do with it?


quote:

I will give four examples of beautiful objects and will discuss the mathematics behind them. Can the beautiful object be created as a solution of a mathematical formula or question? Moreover, I shall explore the general question of whether visual experience and beauty can be formulated with mathematical notions.



Real0ne -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:42:27 AM)



and unfortunately you stated not one pertinent "fact".

mathematics may be, but does not create a universal fact.

you need a fact, not opinion or conjecture.



kdsub -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 9:59:46 AM)

quote:

Three different perspectives could all be the truth, because each person is describing it how they perceive it. Upon closer examination someone who is objective may learn that truth (that they are all correct)


And that is why I say you cannot remove the truth from humanity... that is my point. There is NO such thing as absolute truth no matter how objective you are. We as humans determine what is truth... If every human on earth believed the earth was flat that WOULD be the truth just as today we believe it to be round. Tomorrow we may find it to have even more dimensions that makes our truth of yesterday false. AND even that may not be the absolute truth.

So truth is only what the majority believe to be true at any one time...a totally human concept not a predetermined absolute of the universe... as even that it seems to change when observed.

Butch



Rule -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 10:25:06 AM)

So if a majority votes that death does not exist, we will all live forever?



kdsub -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 10:26:19 AM)

Ever heard of God... we humans always make our own truths.

ps... when you die I ask you to please come back and tell me if you really die or move on to another existence.

Butch



MrBukani -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 10:26:35 AM)

quote:

If every human on earth believed the earth was flat that WOULD be the truth just as today we believe it to be round.


It's spherical woof.[;)][:D]



kdsub -> RE: What is your truth? (7/2/2013 10:31:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
we subs always make our own truths

I fixed it for y'all. [8D]


Biggest complaint I always get... I wonder why... certainly I'm not a know it all....[:)]

Butch



Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4 5   next >   >>

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
0.046875