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God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/4/2013 7:26:54 PM   
Fightdirecto


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Yes - everything bad is either President Obama's fault or the fault of Congress or both of their faults:




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RE: God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/4/2013 8:15:38 PM   
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Why not ? The government is a subsidiary. A wholly owned subsidiary in fact.

So what's new ?

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RE: God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/4/2013 10:00:57 PM   
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Nothing here very difficult to understand. When you have a plutocracy, the govt, is owned by the business class, does their bidding while business hires 1000's of lobbyists all around the country to hit the halls of govt. every day.

Then there is the revolving door where govt. officials leave govt, to join the lobbyists. So we get govt. of money, by money...for money.

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RE: God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/5/2013 12:09:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Nothing here very difficult to understand. When you have a plutocracy, the govt, is owned by the business class, does their bidding while business hires 1000's of lobbyists all around the country to hit the halls of govt. every day.

Then there is the revolving door where govt. officials leave govt, to join the lobbyists. So we get govt. of money, by money...for money.


while I can't argue and/or disagree with anything said here, I am curious, what is your proposed solution...

I don't like obamacare, absolutley hate it, and my sole argument is I don't like to be told what to do, even if it IS good for me, and so many times the argument I get is, well then wjats your better plan, so I ask you, if the whole corperate greed thing is so bad, whats the alturnative to it?

communism and socialism has been tried and failed, democracy according to you here is just lipservice to the people with money, so whats your alturnative to a capitolist run gov't

many people want to tax the dog stuff out of em, but what does that do? does it make them less greedy and share thier wealth? or does it just make em find new and more creative ways to hide thier wealth? usually by moving it out of the country...

I am more in the camp of allow them to get so rich they don't know what to do with all thier money, cause when you get right down to it, there are only three things to do with money, invest it, save it or spend it... and so long as they are doing one of those three things inside the USA I am fine with it!

if they save it, then there is a surplus of money in banks which drives loan rates down, if they invest it then companies use it to expand and possibly hire people, if the spend it so much the better, and I don't care if they are buying gazzilion dollar yatchs with it, just means it time to get into the yatch business, or the yatch repair business or the yatch storage business etc etc etc..

guess in a nutshell I am saying lead, follow, or get out of the way!

and I am not rich ok, I am a plumber, but I'll tell you this, the real meat an taters of my business isn't fixing toilets and faucets, its putting in whole new bathrooms and kitchens.
and I have done a couple bathrooms with working fireplaces in them, and let me tell you this, people like that are only interested in one thing, that is done RIGHT, they don't ask wether its the BEST DEAL they just want it to KICK ASS when you're done! once you're foot is in the door they just say, "how much ok DO IT!"

bottom line, there have always been the rich and poor and as far as I can see there will always be rich and poor,

me I am poor, but instead of calling the rich people jerks and such I am trying to make firends with em and get em to spend some of thier money with ME!

I have never though it was a good idea to tell the people who sign my paychecks I think they are assholes

now that I have ranted and rambled and gone on an on, PLEASEEEE tell me the BETTER IDEA!!

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RE: God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/5/2013 6:35:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

guess in a nutshell I am saying lead, follow, or get out of the way!




Lead (government) and Follow (Electorate) have voted that Get Out Of The Way (Freedom/Liberty) not be allowed.

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RE: God damn President Obama and the Congress! - 7/5/2013 11:28:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: BitYakin

guess in a nutshell I am saying lead, follow, or get out of the way!




Lead (government) and Follow (Electorate) have voted that Get Out Of The Way (Freedom/Liberty) not be allowed.



yes yes yes, so now you have identified the problem, you don't like the country being run my capitolists, how bout an ALTURNATIVE????

the idealistic side of me doesn't like it either, the realistic side of me says, thats LIFE get over it and work within the system to have a good life and quit WHINING ABOUT IT!

when I was a kid that whole hippie commune thing sounded COOL, but now that I have worked so hard for everything I have I am not as interested in SHARING with those who for whatever reason couldn't cut the mustard

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