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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 12:18:37 PM   
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All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

K.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 12:22:29 PM   
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All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

K.

Maybe you're having trouble getting the point:
All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all" why do you think other people hold religious beliefs in the face of the complete and utter lack of any supporting evidence? Try making a positive claim, no links you can deny agreeing with later, no snark just a straight statement of your opinion, I dare you.


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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 12:33:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Stop making shit up.

Maybe you're having trouble getting the point:

All right then mister "I defend Christianity with a passion but deny having any faith at all"...

Maybe you're having trouble getting the point:

Stop making shit up.

K.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 12:35:05 PM   
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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 12:57:54 PM   
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Why do you insist on derailing threads?

Why do you insist on lying?

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 1:20:59 PM   
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Why do you insist on derailing threads?

Why do you insist on lying?

K.

Are you actually claiming snark and insults were on topic?

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 1:23:20 PM   
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Are you actually claiming snark and insults were on topic?

No, I'm claiming that you're lying.

K.





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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 1:32:38 PM   
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Are you actually claiming snark and insults were on topic?

No, I'm claiming that you're lying.

How is that on the topic of this thread? And how was this calling me a liar?
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Ding! Ding! Ding! You've just won a free membership to Assumptions'r'Us!!


Why precisely do you refuse to post on topic or not post in this thread at all?

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 1:51:43 PM   
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But once someone believes in something because they "just know" "feel it in their heart" etc, the rational discussion ends. When someone is content to believe without science, there's no point in pursuing the discussion any further because you can't debate a subject in which the rules of debate are suspended by the defending party.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 2:01:06 PM   
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The "Assumptions'r'Us" post was a response to your mind-reading claim that if people would "listen to what we actually say or write they would have to confront their terror of the unknown and death." The clue to this possibly obscure fact is the "in reply to" link. See how that works?

Claiming that I "defend Christianity with a passion" is a lie. It's a lie you've been pushing for years, without a shred of substance beyond your own fevered imagination, and if you don't like being called out for it stop posting it. Otherwise, you can plan on being called out for it every time.

K.






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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 2:18:49 PM   
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When it comes to criticism of certain subjects such as Christianity those not wanting to hear the criticism have a tendency to come to absurdly ridiculous interpretations of what's being said.

If I take a fairly basic and straightforward claim from a Discovery Magazine article: "Humans Have Two Arms" is anybody here going to take the position that Discovery is claiming that amputees don't exist or that amputees don't count as human beings?

I mean it's really obvious what Discovery is actually saying right? Why is it so hard for some people to figure out when atheists do the same thing?

This might be clearer if you gave an example of an atheistic assertion equivalent to "Humans have two arms."

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 2:21:21 PM   
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Because they're too insecure to believe that people who are rational intelligent human beings can have a different belief from them. They feel that if someone doesn't agree with them, it must be because that person is either an idiot or evil.

You can read the hearts and minds of people you don't know?

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 2:22:47 PM   
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Christians say that kind of thing all the time.

Fwiw, I've spent half a century around Christians, and I've never heard anyone say that.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:13:38 PM   
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The "Assumptions'r'Us" post was a response to your mind-reading claim that if people would "listen to what we actually say or write they would have to confront their terror of the unknown and death." The clue to this possibly obscure fact is the "in reply to" link. See how that works?

Maybe you misunderstood the question, How is that bit of snark on topic?

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Claiming that I "defend Christianity with a passion" is a lie. It's a lie you've been pushing for years, without a shred of substance beyond your own fevered imagination, and if you don't like being called out for it stop posting it. Otherwise, you can plan on being called out for it every time.

K.

No, it is my opinion. I have stated my opinion and given you many opportunities to state what it is you believe. As a matter of fact I have frequently requested that you make a positive comment about anything. Thus far you never have, on any subject.








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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:22:10 PM   
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The "Assumptions'r'Us" post was a response to your mind-reading claim that if people would "listen to what we actually say or write they would have to confront their terror of the unknown and death." The clue to this possibly obscure fact is the "in reply to" link. See how that works?

Maybe you misunderstood the question, How is that bit of snark on topic?

quote:

Claiming that I "defend Christianity with a passion" is a lie. It's a lie you've been pushing for years, without a shred of substance beyond your own fevered imagination, and if you don't like being called out for it stop posting it. Otherwise, you can plan on being called out for it every time.

K.

No, it is my opinion. I have stated my opinion and given you many opportunities to state what it is you believe. As a matter of fact I have frequently requested that you make a positive comment about anything. Thus far you never have, on any subject.








Hear hear!
C'mon K. let's hear it. Make a stand. I am truly interested.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:28:30 PM   
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Christians say that kind of thing all the time.

Fwiw, I've spent half a century around Christians, and I've never heard anyone say that.

Are you an out atheist? I hear it all the time. After bad rehashes of Pascal's Wager it is the most common attack on atheism I hear from Christians.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:34:18 PM   
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Are you an out atheist? I hear it all the time. After bad rehashes of Pascal's Wager it is the most common attack on atheism I hear from Christians.

No, I'm not, which may be why I haven't heard it. How often does your atheism come up in conversation?

Among other church folk (I'm wary of the label "Christian" cause it's too freighted with baggage), my experience has been that atheism and atheists are truly rare topics.

ETA: Pascal's wager has always irritated me.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:38:33 PM   
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Are you an out atheist? I hear it all the time. After bad rehashes of Pascal's Wager it is the most common attack on atheism I hear from Christians.

No, I'm not, which may be why I haven't heard it. How often does your atheism come up in conversation?

Among other church folk (I'm wary of the label "Christian" cause it's too freighted with baggage), my experience has been that atheism and atheists are truly rare topics.

If someone asks me what church I go to, I say I don't, if they pester me I tell them I'm an atheist. That almost always results in them trying to "save" me. Which almost always leads to Pascal's Wager or the claim that atheism is based on faith just like religion. Of course that also almost always results in them blabbing about it to their church going friends which brings more and more nonsense. I've left 3 jobs since I got out of the Navy over that sort of nonsense.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 3:45:43 PM   
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No, it is my opinion.

Bullshit You've been worrying this bone for years, even going so far as to claim that I had actually professed Christianity as my religion. And my response to you now is the same as it was back in 2010.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3432716/mpage_5/key_/tm.htm#3434149

Without making you look too much a fool by posting a long list of links, let's cut right to the chase. The central doctrine of Christianity is that Christ died for our sins, that his blood was the redeeming sacrifice, that he was the "Lamb of God". My comment here from 2011:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3602339/mpage_3/key_/tm.htm#3607200

And not to put too fine a point on it, this from 2012:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4320983/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4321006

If in your opinion that constitutes "passionately defending" Christianity, I suggest you seek help. But I'll be happy to settle for you just stopping your fucking lying. Any chance you could manage that?

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I have frequently requested that you make a positive comment about anything. Thus far you never have, on any subject.

Never. On any subject. Check. Heh.

K.

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RE: The dumbest interpretation - 7/5/2013 4:09:06 PM   
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Religious bias and a failure to have both feet in the real world were at play in Egypt according to David Brooks.

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