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cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:03:40 PM)


Please do not complain about the posts on a Zimmerman thread. Let the action roll. Let everyone fend for themselves.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:09:00 PM)

Why should those threads be sacrosanct?




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:15:50 PM)


That's the wrong way of looking at it. The participants should wear their big-boy pants.




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:20:07 PM)

I dont assume anyone here is a child. I assume everyone here who posts is an adult. I also believe that there are some here who are here to discuss and debate, and there are some here who are here to simply derail and cause issues. Not reporting means the latter group controls the former group. I, for one, wont be held "hostage" to someone's immature rants and derails simply because a thread is desired by some posters. The sooner we get rid of them or they change their habits, the better for the rest of the threads and the section as a whole.




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:20:51 PM)

T. Martin's mother and older brother testified today that the voice screaming for help on the 911 call was Tayvon.

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See below for background:

Zimmerman Judge Bars Testimony On 911 Call
By CARA BUCKLEY

SANFORD, Fla. — The screams are clearly coming from a distraught male, whose repeated cries for help end abruptly with a gunshot. What is not clear from a recording of a 911 call, however, is the identity of the screamer: George Zimmerman, the volunteer community watchman, or Trayvon Martin, the unarmed 17-year-old he killed that night.

While jurors in Mr. Zimmerman’s second-degree-murder trial, in which opening statements are scheduled for Monday, may get to hear the recording in court, they will not hear the opinions of two audio experts for the prosecution about who the screamer is, or is not. One concluded that the voice was not Mr. Zimmerman’s; the other said it was very likely Mr. Martin’s.

In an order released on Saturday, the judge in the case, Debra S. Nelson, excluded their testimony. She said the science supporting the experts’ analyses “is not as widely accepted at this time” as the more established methods relied on by defense witnesses who said it was impossible to conclude whose voice it was.

A neighbor made the 911 call on Feb. 26, 2012, during the fatal encounter between Mr. Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, and Mr. Martin, who was black and was returning to a home where he was staying after buying snacks. Mr. Zimmerman claimed self-defense, and was not arrested for six weeks, setting off protests nationwide.

The opinions of the state experts were crucial to the prosecution’s case because they cast doubt on Mr. Zimmerman’s insistence that he had fired his gun in self-defense. The defense said that the testimony would only confuse the jurors, and that the science behind the prosecution experts’ techniques was faulty.

“It’s not founded in science anywhere,” Don West, one of Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyers, said of the techniques used by one of the experts for the state. “He’s making it up.”

In days of pretrial hearings, prosecution lawyers pushed hard for the inclusion of their experts.

One, Thomas J. Owen, a forensic audio consultant, compared the 911 recording with clips of Mr. Zimmerman’s speaking voice and concluded that it was not the defendant who was screaming. The second expert, Alan Reich, a forensic acoustics consultant, said that the screams had most likely come from Mr. Martin, and that he could also discern the teenager pleading, “I’m begging you.”

But four experts presented by Mr. Zimmerman’s lawyers, including one expert from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said it was impossible to determine who was screaming because of the recording’s limited quality and brevity. They also sharply questioned the methods used by both of the prosecution’s experts.

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tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:23:56 PM)

This thread is about complaining to the mods, not about Zimmerman.




dcnovice -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:26:44 PM)

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Let everyone fend for themselves.

One of the ways I fend for myself is trying to get crap cleared out of my environment.




tj444 -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:28:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

T. Martin's mother and brother testified today that the voice screaming for help on the 911 call was Tayvon.


yabbut.. then the defense put Zimmy's mother and uncle to do the same and counteract the testimony of Trayvons mother and step-brother..

I think the prosecution is doing a very poor job (but part of that is also that the cops did a shitty job in the first place).. and that sucks cuz it means Zimmy will likely go free.. [&o]




tj444 -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:30:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice
One of the ways I fend for myself is trying to get crap cleared out of my environment.

I could make a really bad joke right now about getting more fiber.. but i wont... [;)]




BamaD -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:31:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

T. Martin's mother and brother testified today that the voice screaming for help on the 911 call was Tayvon.


yabbut.. then the defense put Zimmy's mother and uncle to do the same and counteract the testimony of Trayvons mother and step-brother..

I think the prosecution is doing a very poor job (but part of that is also that the cops did a shitty job in the first place).. and that sucks cuz it means Zimmy will likely go free.. [&o]

And nobody should listen to either family they both heard what the expected to hear




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:32:05 PM)


The end result seems to be a locked thread and no further discussion. That's a poor outcome.




Yachtie -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:33:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This thread is about complaining to the mods, not about Zimmerman.


I think most people who actively complain to the mods are either attention seekers or want to have sex with them.[:D]




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:35:08 PM)


It's a jury question. Is there a link to listen to the 911 call?




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:38:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This thread is about complaining to the mods, not about Zimmerman.


I think most people who actively complain to the mods are either attention seekers or want to have sex with them.[:D]


Nothing wrong with sex! How dare you! [8D]




mnottertail -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:39:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This thread is about complaining to the mods, not about Zimmerman.


I think most people who actively complain to the mods are either attention seekers or want to have sex with them.[:D]


Generally, not directed at Yachtie:

Then a bunch of you motherfuckers are trying to get ass off the mods. I bet I get more tickets against me daily than you folks do in all your time at collarme.





Yachtie -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:39:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This thread is about complaining to the mods, not about Zimmerman.


I think most people who actively complain to the mods are either attention seekers or want to have sex with them.[:D]


Nothing wrong with sex! How dare you! [8D]


Which mod do you wish to complain to? [;)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:43:21 PM)

LOL... all of em [;)] Why limit myself?




cloudboy -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:47:18 PM)



The 911 call has really poor audio of the background noise (the sreaming in the background.) I could not make anything out at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/last-minutes-trayvon-martin-911-calls/index.html




dcnovice -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:48:10 PM)

quote:

I could make a really bad joke right now about getting more fiber.. but i wont...

LOL! That's way more funny than you realize right now.




Rule -> RE: Zimmerman Threads -- Quite Complaining to the Mods (7/5/2013 2:57:20 PM)

FR

I for sure am mentally handicapped; all supergeniuses are.

As far as I recall I have twice made a ticket - and the first time taught me not to do so again.




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