Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: What is going on in Michigan?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What is going on in Michigan? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/7/2013 6:30:59 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Post 27....
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/11/attorney_who_offered_20_millio.html
According to the Detroit News, the "injunction alleges the city breached a contract with Silver Stallion and engaged in racial discrimination against the minority-owned firm." Specifically, the lawsuit claims Mayor Clarence Phillips "openly expressed bias against" Silver Stallion.
DetNews, Nov. 18: In August 2008, Silver Stallion made a $100,000 deposit of earnest money in escrow under a purchase agreement with the city and hired an engineering firm to do an environmental assessment of the facility, according to court documents filed this week.
The closing was delayed after reviews found possible contamination, according to the lawsuit. In February meetings regarding the group's ability to fund the purchase, the city asked that Silver Stallion release the $100,000 in escrow to the city and dropped the purchase price to $17 million due to damage to a mini-dome and missing property.
The auction was announced the next day.


Ohhhhh, so the only terms that were on a deadline were a deposit of $100K? Well, shit.

And, since the lawsuit didn't result in Silver Stallion getting the sale, who the fuck cares what the allegations were?!?!? As if they actually mean any-fucking-thing?

But, if we're just going to go on allegations in a lawsuit, Obama shouldn't be President because he was alleged in a lawsuit to not be a citizen.

Only when it serves your purposes, tazzy.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 81
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/7/2013 6:37:30 PM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
WTF are you rambling on about?

I am fucking asking questions and you are wanting to make this a partisan attack.

Did you actually NOT see me say the AUCTION was not a bad thing... that the way the AUCTION was HANDLED was?

Or doesnt that fit into your lil partisan attack?

You want to argue your bullshit position? You go on with your bad self.

But do it alone.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 82
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/8/2013 6:34:02 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
WTF are you rambling on about?
I am fucking asking questions and you are wanting to make this a partisan attack.
Did you actually NOT see me say the AUCTION was not a bad thing... that the way the AUCTION was HANDLED was?
Or doesnt that fit into your lil partisan attack?
You want to argue your bullshit position? You go on with your bad self.
But do it alone.


You were the one, tazzy. And, even though you were the only one to respond to my point that the EM was appointed by Granholm, not the Tea Party electeds, that was not something I was pointing out against just you.

You accuse me of going off-topic, but the whole thing turned into some Silverdome fiasco thing, when that itself isn't really on topic. "What is going on in MI?" changed into "What went on in MI."




_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 83
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/8/2013 10:22:27 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

You were the one, tazzy. And, even though you were the only one to respond to my point that the EM was appointed by Granholm, not the Tea Party electeds, that was not something I was pointing out against just you.

You accuse me of going off-topic, but the whole thing turned into some Silverdome fiasco thing, when that itself isn't really on topic. "What is going on in MI?" changed into "What went on in MI."


LOL

The EM was appointed by Granholm... and? Think I didnt know that? Think anyone with half a brain.. and some ability to google.. didnt know that?

Did I bring up the SilverDome? Nope.

I asked what is going on.

Instead of attempting, lamely, to beat someone over the head for askign a question and bringing information to the discussion, you started pointing fingers at the federal administration.

This is about.... wait for it.. Michigan.

Some facts for ya, smart fella.

State intervention on local unit financial emergencies is not new, nor is only supported by Republicans:
 Michigan has had an emergency financial manager law on the books since 1988.
 The original law was signed by Democrat governor James Blanchard.
 An emergency financial manager has only been put in place a total of 10 times in more than 20 years. Emergency financial managers have been utilized by both Republican and Democrat governors.
 State Treasurer Andy Dillon, who previously served as the Democrat Speaker of the House, is leading the administration’s effort to ensure emergency managers that may be necessary in the future are properly trained.


Want some more?

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/EMF_Fact_Sheet2_347889_7.pdf

Which is why I said I am not interested in the political ramblings... I wanted to know WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN? And I have been working with the information given to me.

IF you dont like the information given, or you feel it needs to take a different direction, then bring more information instead of whimpering about the ACA which, unless I am completely mistaken, that part of Michigan feels is a smaller worry to them than what is going on in their own little neck of the woods.

For fuck sake, take off the political binders and actually join a discussion for a change.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 84
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/8/2013 9:03:58 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

You were the one, tazzy. And, even though you were the only one to respond to my point that the EM was appointed by Granholm, not the Tea Party electeds, that was not something I was pointing out against just you.
You accuse me of going off-topic, but the whole thing turned into some Silverdome fiasco thing, when that itself isn't really on topic. "What is going on in MI?" changed into "What went on in MI."

LOL
The EM was appointed by Granholm... and? Think I didnt know that? Think anyone with half a brain.. and some ability to google.. didnt know that?


And, that is why I asked if anyone noticed that the EM was appointed by Granholm. I didn't single you out in that one.

quote:

Did I bring up the SilverDome? Nope.
I asked what is going on.


Yep, and then when someone says something you don't want to hear, you accuse them of going off-topic, yet, the Silverdome thing wasn't really on topic, and isn't even current to the complaint in the article in the OP. Thus, that's not "what's going on in MI," but "what went on in MI." I notice you haven't tried to get anyone back on topic from that.

quote:

Instead of attempting, lamely, to beat someone over the head for askign a question and bringing information to the discussion, you started pointing fingers at the federal administration.
This is about.... wait for it.. Michigan.


So, you and others can gripe about State political BS even when you support the same BS at the National level? I call bullshit on that.

quote:

Some facts for ya, smart fella.
State intervention on local unit financial emergencies is not new, nor is only supported by Republicans:
 Michigan has had an emergency financial manager law on the books since 1988.
 The original law was signed by Democrat governor James Blanchard.
 An emergency financial manager has only been put in place a total of 10 times in more than 20 years. Emergency financial managers have been utilized by both Republican and Democrat governors.
 State Treasurer Andy Dillon, who previously served as the Democrat Speaker of the House, is leading the administration’s effort to ensure emergency managers that may be necessary in the future are properly trained.

Want some more?
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/snyder/EMF_Fact_Sheet2_347889_7.pdf
Which is why I said I am not interested in the political ramblings... I wanted to know WHAT IS HAPPENING IN MICHIGAN? And I have been working with the information given to me.
IF you dont like the information given, or you feel it needs to take a different direction, then bring more information instead of whimpering about the ACA which, unless I am completely mistaken, that part of Michigan feels is a smaller worry to them than what is going on in their own little neck of the woods.
For fuck sake, take off the political binders and actually join a discussion for a change.


You want to know what's going on in MI? Then why have you let the discussion pretty much be all about the Silverdome?!? That's no longer what's going on in MI.

You only want to know what's going on as long as it fits your political beliefs.

And, you got caught.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 85
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/8/2013 9:20:15 PM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

Yep, and then when someone says something you don't want to hear, you accuse them of going off-topic, yet, the Silverdome thing wasn't really on topic, and isn't even current to the complaint in the article in the OP. Thus, that's not "what's going on in MI," but "what went on in MI." I notice you haven't tried to get anyone back on topic from that.


No I didnt. DomKen did post #4. He suggested I take a look, so we did. I also stated how I wanted someone from that area to talk to about Michigan and what was happening there. Not someone to complain about the ACA.

quote:

the Silverdome thing wasn't really on topic


How is it not? Was it not sold via the EM? Was it not sold within the state of Michigan?

quote:

Thus, that's not "what's going on in MI," but "what went on in MI." I notice you haven't tried to get anyone back on topic from that.


I noticed you are still bitching and have yet to bring anything new to this thread about.......... Whats going on in Michigan.

quote:

So, you and others can gripe about State political BS even when you support the same BS at the National level? I call bullshit on that.


I asked how was it even reasonable to have an auction for a piece of property that had bids of 12, 18 and 20 million dollars to go to auction without a reserve.

Try answering that.

quote:

You want to know what's going on in MI? Then why have you let the discussion pretty much be all about the Silverdome?!? That's no longer what's going on in MI.


Of course it is. Its a part of the problem. Its part of why that area of the state is still in debt. Educational financial problems could be paid off had the sale gone to one of the other bidders instead of a freakin measly 580K.

quote:

You only want to know what's going on as long as it fits your political beliefs.

And, you got caught.


Nope.... you are simply attempting to twist this into a partisan bitch fest and Im not letting you.

Now, answer the question... what fucking sense does it make to put up property for sale without a reserve bid? You put no reserve and of course every businessman is going to low ball the hell out of it. So... again... why no reserve bid?

And, yes, beyond your wild expectations, that decision is STILL affecting Pontiac.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 86
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/9/2013 6:49:30 AM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

Yep, and then when someone says something you don't want to hear, you accuse them of going off-topic, yet, the Silverdome thing wasn't really on topic, and isn't even current to the complaint in the article in the OP. Thus, that's not "what's going on in MI," but "what went on in MI." I notice you haven't tried to get anyone back on topic from that.

No I didnt. DomKen did post #4. He suggested I take a look, so we did. I also stated how I wanted someone from that area to talk to about Michigan and what was happening there. Not someone to complain about the ACA.
quote:

the Silverdome thing wasn't really on topic

How is it not? Was it not sold via the EM? Was it not sold within the state of Michigan?
quote:

Thus, that's not "what's going on in MI," but "what went on in MI." I notice you haven't tried to get anyone back on topic from that.

I noticed you are still bitching and have yet to bring anything new to this thread about.......... Whats going on in Michigan.
quote:

So, you and others can gripe about State political BS even when you support the same BS at the National level? I call bullshit on that.

I asked how was it even reasonable to have an auction for a piece of property that had bids of 12, 18 and 20 million dollars to go to auction without a reserve.
Try answering that.


It had to be sold. That’s why.

Read this.

Not only did Parker's race card suit fail, but he was, essentially, fined $25K for continuing the appeals.

Also, according to the article, he "could not close" on the $20M bid because of environmental concerns. That amounts to a forfeit of the sale, no? His $17M bid included a $1M deposit, which he didn’t/couldn’t come through on, also negating his bid. I assume the $3M reduction had something to do with the environmental cleanup costs, but there is nothing I’ve seen stating that relationship.

quote:

quote:

You want to know what's going on in MI? Then why have you let the discussion pretty much be all about the Silverdome?!? That's no longer what's going on in MI.

Of course it is. Its a part of the problem. Its part of why that area of the state is still in debt. Educational financial problems could be paid off had the sale gone to one of the other bidders instead of a freakin measly 580K.


You have proof for that? I know you are making a point of the deficit in the Pontiac School district, but you have offered no proof that the schools are paid for out of the City’s funding, which would have been where the Silverdome’s sale would have gone.

I gave Toledo Public Schools and the City of Toledo up as an example of a locale where they are two separate entities, each with their own budgets and each with their own deficits.

[link= http://www.toledonewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12716165]TPS [/link]
    quote:

    Toledo Public Schools no longer has a $39 million dollar budget deficit to tackle. The last of three district unions has approved a concession-packed, one-year contract to keep the district afloat.
    Teachers and paraprofessionals approved the deal in separate votes. School board members will vote on the agreement Tuesday night.
    The budget has been balanced through the eliminaton of programs and some sports and the closing of Libbey High School. Add to that tough teacher concessions, including pink slips.
    Indeed, 237 teaching and 31 paraprofessional positions will be eliminated. Both groups will take a one percent pay cut and see increased health care costs
    "Teachers realize that we are challenged financially in the district. (They are) willing to step up to the plate and help the district move forward," said president of Toledo Federation of Teachers Francine Lawrence.
    Bob Vasquez, Toledo School Board president, said students will certainly feel the effects. "When class size increases, individualized attention of students becomes more challenging."
    The vote means all three Toledo Public Schools unions have new deals with the district.
    Board members still must hire a new superintendent, consider putting a levy on the November ballot and deal with a projected $44 million budget deficit for the 2011 school year.

City of Toledo 1
    quote:

    The Bell administration is willing to spend up to $250,000 to have the State Auditor's office perform a breakdown of the city's finances in the next three to six months, in hopes that such a study could help the city reduce its projected $48.2 million general fund deficit.

City of Toledo 2
    quote:

    2010 will be one of the most fiscally arduous years in this City’s history. The bottom line is, that without enhancements to revenue of the worst I have urged throughout virtually all of 2009, the City will be approximately $30 million dollars out of balance.

Note, too, if you look into the City Union negotiations, that teachers are State Union workers, not City.

quote:

quote:

You only want to know what's going on as long as it fits your political beliefs.
And, you got caught.

Nope.... you are simply attempting to twist this into a partisan bitch fest and Im not letting you.
Now, answer the question... what fucking sense does it make to put up property for sale without a reserve bid? You put no reserve and of course every businessman is going to low ball the hell out of it. So... again... why no reserve bid?
And, yes, beyond your wild expectations, that decision is STILL affecting Pontiac.


While the sale’s impact on Pontiac isn’t in question, it’s still old news that no one can do anything about, thus, it’s not what’s going on in MI, but what went on in MI.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 87
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/9/2013 10:10:19 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/02/15/8164/michigans-budget-crisis-puts-democracy-chopping-block

An interesting perspective of what is happening in Michigan.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to DesideriScuri)
Profile   Post #: 88
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/21/2013 11:55:52 PM   
Phydeaux


Posts: 4828
Joined: 1/4/2004
Status: offline
Here's an an even more interesting commentary for whats happening in Detroit, Michigan, and the US.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100227375/obamanomics-is-turning-america-into-detroit-ayn-rands-starnesville-come-to-life/

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 89
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/22/2013 12:26:05 AM   
DomKen


Posts: 19457
Joined: 7/4/2004
From: Chicago, IL
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Here's an an even more interesting commentary for whats happening in Detroit, Michigan, and the US.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100227375/obamanomics-is-turning-america-into-detroit-ayn-rands-starnesville-come-to-life/


And that nonsense explains why Detroit is struggling while Chicago is thriving exactly how?

(in reply to Phydeaux)
Profile   Post #: 90
RE: What is going on in Michigan? - 7/22/2013 8:30:39 AM   
JeffBC


Posts: 5799
Joined: 2/12/2012
From: Canada
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
Where i come from (BC) the health care premiums...

It was never true that America was, in any way, willing to take care of it's children, sick and elderly in the way Canada is. The ACA was always simply a way to force everyone to pay the insurance industry which, in turn, pays the medical industry. In other words, nothing in the ACA attacks corporatism. I was in favor of it only because I saw it as a wash on the corporatism angle but perhaps being one step down the path of an actual health care system.

_____________________________

I'm a lover of "what is", not because I'm a spiritual person, but because it hurts when I argue with reality. -- Bryon Katie
"You're humbly arrogant" -- sunshinemiss
officially a member of the K Crowd

(in reply to tj444)
Profile   Post #: 91
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: What is going on in Michigan? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 4 [5]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.094