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The Politics of Deception


difficult words.
  7% (2)
long speeches.
  7% (2)
ever changing rules.
  11% (3)
appeals to emotion
  14% (4)
citizens don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy
  14% (4)
politicians are puppets of big companies.
  22% (6)
partisan Media.
  22% (6)


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The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 3:52:30 PM   
MrBukani


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Status: offline 		We all know politicians love to decieve the public.
So how do they do it?
I think the first and foremost deception is the one with difficult words.
This is not really needed cause the simple explanation is in the dictionary.
So why not use the simple words?

The second is really really long speeches, where the politician can say just about anything and repeat it multiple times. By the end we have already forgotten what he is really saying. But the core sticks to your mind wich is not your opinion.

The third is ever changing rules so you have to keep up with it. Otherwise you break the law wich was allowed before the change.

So wich is the worst and why?
If you have any other suggestions I will add the option to the poll on request.
I have allowed multiple selection but I ask the worst of you.Or is it from you, I don't know...
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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 3:55:19 PM   
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"Difficult words" is a loser. Politicians usually sound like they're talking to idiot children.

Add "appeals to emotion".

K.










< Message edited by Kirata -- 7/5/2013 3:58:58 PM >

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 4:01:05 PM   
Yachtie


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Two words say it all.

Politicians lie.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 4:05:34 PM   
dcnovice


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quote:

So wich is the worst and why?

I'd say the root problem is citizens (including, I confess, this one) who don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy and blame all their woes on politicians instead.

A related problem is telling people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to know.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 4:29:53 PM   
MrBukani


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


"Difficult words" is a loser. Politicians usually sound like they're talking to idiot children.

Add "appeals to emotion".

K.










Agreed when they campaign to win votes, but what I am talkin about goes on within chambers. Like in the senate and such. They talk for days on end and nothing really happens.

PS why does my cursor(curse it) always end up within the quote when I quote you K.?
Why oh why Is it because you do this on purpose, or do you find this error yourself too. There is way too many spaces between K. and the end quote.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 4:33:46 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		You left out the partisan media acting as a whore to either of the parties.

Basically, half of the population is of below average intelligence. Pander to the other half and get them drinking your Kool-Aid and you're golden.

The media used to be independent long ago. That is no longer true.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 4:55:03 PM   
dcnovice


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quote:

You left out the partisan media acting as a whore to either of the parties.

HuffPo had an interesting piece about this a while back.

How the Mainstream Press Bungled the Single Biggest Story of the 2012 Campaign


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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 5:06:37 PM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

So wich is the worst and why?

I'd say the root problem is citizens (including, I confess, this one) who don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy and blame all their woes on politicians instead.

A related problem is telling people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to know.



REALLY?

politicians get to vote on amendments, whats the last one you got to vote on?

ask them for the records of the referendums for all the bs they pass. ZIPPO

you dont elect representatives you elect dictatorial administrtors


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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 5:09:11 PM   
Real0ne


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

So wich is the worst and why?

I'd say the root problem is citizens (including, I confess, this one) who don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy and blame all their woes on politicians instead.

A related problem is telling people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to know.



what about inhabitants, resident aliens, nationals and all the other garden variety legal people here? Do they count too or is this party only for citizens?

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"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 5:11:26 PM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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Two words say it all.

Politicians lie.



they are nothing more than used fucking car salesmen.

knowing that how people can dig the heels in so deep in party politics beats the shit out of me when both sides feed them bullshit 24/7.

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"We the Borg" of the us imperialists....resistance is futile

Democracy; The 'People' voted on 'which' amendment?

Yesterdays tinfoil is today's reality!

"No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 8:48:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice
quote:

So wich is the worst and why?

I'd say the root problem is citizens (including, I confess, this one) who don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy and blame all their woes on politicians instead.


This.

quote:

A related problem is telling people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to know.


And this.


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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 8:56:29 PM   
DesideriScuri


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I voted for every single one of them. Why? Because they are all used, almost all the time.

Watched a video of Janet Napolitano being grilled by a Congressman (don't remember which one) where she refused to answer a point blank yes/no question. It was absolutely insane, and whichever politician was running the circus wasn't forcing the witness (Napolitano) to answer the question.

Stick and move. Stick and move.

My local talk radio station's afternoon drive host used to have tap dance music playing when they would air responses of politicians. It was spot on.

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What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 9:19:07 PM   
BamaD


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quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

quote:

So wich is the worst and why?

I'd say the root problem is citizens (including, I confess, this one) who don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy and blame all their woes on politicians instead.

A related problem is telling people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to know.

When a politicians tell the truth we refuse to vote for them examples from each party

Goldwater
McGovern

They both told us the truth about their vision and were rejected soundly.

Goldwater expressed the view that we could end up with over 100,000 American soldiers in Vietnam
Thinking he wanted that he was rejected.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 9:22:02 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You left out the partisan media acting as a whore to either of the parties.

Basically, half of the population is of below average intelligence. Pander to the other half and get them drinking your Kool-Aid and you're golden.

The media used to be independent long ago. That is no longer true.

I think they pander to the low half while telling the other half they should feel guilty for any success they half had.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/5/2013 10:30:15 PM   
BitYakin


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Status: offline 		personally, I think the biggest problem we have now is APATHY...

people find it inconvienient to be bothered with excersizing thier rights

here is an example,

went to this concert on private land in missouri, there was a police check point stopping each vehicle to search for drugs weapons etc etc etc

we get pulled over and there was a cooler between the seats, one of those kind you plug in to a cig lighter socket and keeps things cool (why it was between the seats, to reach the lighter socket) anyhow in the cooler was about a 1/4 full bottle of jack daniels from a previous trip, been there for at least a couple months, not missouri doesn't even have an open container law and neither does the fed, but these were park rangers and wrote the driver a ticket (150 dollar ticket BTW) for open container.
since they were fed park rangers, (guess the state hiway passed threw some national forest land) and we had pulled of the state hiway onto I THINK private land, the only way to fight it in court was to go to some fed court in the very southeast corner of the state.
the driver who only worked part time and could have made the trip and I even offered to pay for the gas and take time off work to join him, couldn't be BOTHERED to go to court and at least HAVE HIS DAY IN COURT, so he just paid the fine. he paid a fine for something there was NO STATE or FEDERAL statute against doing!

APATHETIC!!!

and this is just one single example of how sooo many people just say bahhhh its to much trouble to exersize my rights!

people now just allow thier rights to be nickle and dimed away without ever saying HEYYYYYYY wait a minute here!

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RE: The Politics of Deception - 7/6/2013 12:13:59 AM   
Zonie63


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

We all know politicians love to decieve the public.
So how do they do it?
I think the first and foremost deception is the one with difficult words.
This is not really needed cause the simple explanation is in the dictionary.
So why not use the simple words?

The second is really really long speeches, where the politician can say just about anything and repeat it multiple times. By the end we have already forgotten what he is really saying. But the core sticks to your mind wich is not your opinion.

The third is ever changing rules so you have to keep up with it. Otherwise you break the law wich was allowed before the change.

So wich is the worst and why?
If you have any other suggestions I will add the option to the poll on request.
I have allowed multiple selection but I ask the worst of you.Or is it from you, I don't know...


I think some politicians have tried to go into politics for the right reasons and do the right thing, at least at first. Others may be conniving deceivers right from the start.

It's supposedly up to the voters to be able to tell the difference. That's where we get the speeches, debates, along with lots and lots of TV commercials.

I think that's how they do it. It's the damn TV commercials. Radio, too.

You know how some radio stations play the same song over and over until you can't get it out of your head? That's how it works. They just keep pounding you with commercial after commercial until your head is filled with it.

I was just writing in another thread that fear is also a pretty effective tactic politicians use. They know their audience, and they know what they fear, so they're able to use that to their advantage. I suppose that may come under "appeals to emotion," so I chose that one, as well as "citizens don't shoulder the responsibilities of democracy."

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