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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I believe that other places that allow nudity have these disclaimers as well.
That's absolutely not the case if nudity is point blank legal in public regardless of where you are, as is the case in various places around the world, including some places in the US.
There is a guy in Denver who sunbathes naked in public parks. It's legal for him to do so but it took the locals a couple months to get used to that, and the police still sometimes gets called to complain. When that happens, they politely explain what he's doing isn't indecent exposure, because he's not being lewd.
There are various places in the Europe and the US as well where similar things apply, and it's perfectly legal for people to go out in public not wearing clothing, as long as they're not lewd. None of those places have warning signs posted everywhere to remind people that people may choose to be nude, but that doesn't mean that nudity is a crime there, nor that you are legally obligated to warn people before you do it.
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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If nudity is legal, and I'm a nudist because that's the personal lifestyle I choose to live, there ain't any fucking reason why I should cover up to answer the door to you on my own property.
So thought this VA man, who was originally convicted after two women saw him naked in his home through his windows.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/07/va-man-acquitted-flashing-passers-home/
...Under Virginia law, indecent exposure occurs when a person intentionally makes an obscene display of his or her private parts. The law does not necessarily require the exposure to be in a public place — it allows for prosecution when the exposure occurs in a "place where others are present."
So this guy exposed himself in his own house to women in a place where doing so was NOT legal? Ok, so what's the point.
I've clearly stated that doing so in a place where that IS legal is not a matter of consent, so I don't see if it's relevant if people are getting in trouble for doing it in places where it isn't legal, seeing that I never said that it would be ok to unconsensually expose yourself to an unexpected third party in places where it isn't legal for people to do so. However, where it IS legal to be nude in public, people can have no expectation whatsoever of being asked to consent first, prior to being exposed to somebody else's body.
To claim that doing so is nonconsensually involving other people in your kink is nonsense, because people do not need to get unaffected third party's consent to engage in perfectly legal behavior. If it's legal for me to be nude, I don't need to ask you if it's of to you if I do that before doing it, regardless of whether or not the reason is kinky, or otherwise. This is because you've already given consent to be exposed to naked people unexpectedly by being in a territory where being naked in public is allowed. People who are in territory in which public nudity is legal do not have a reasonable expectation to not be confronted with naked people when they ring a door bell.
If it's not legal to be nude in public, opening the door naked is not only stupid, and illegal, but also offensive and nonconsesual involvement of others, because people who are in a territory that doesn't allow public nudity have a reasonable expectation to not unexpectedly be confronted with naked people when they ring a door bell.
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