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littlewonder -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/8/2013 8:13:41 PM)
Master has talked about catheters and feeding tubes in the future for longer periods of bondage. But I think that's a bit further in the future until my health issues are under control. As for earplugs, the best way to block sound is with a pair of industrial noise reducing headphones like you see construction people wearing. The ex had a pair of those and once they were on I couldn't hear a thing. Another fun thing is to put in a pair of music earphones first and then the headphones over those. He could even have his voice recorded with certain things so that is the only thing you would hear...his voice. Yeah, sensory deprivation has always been one of my favorite things. So calm and relaxing.

SexyThoughts -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/8/2013 8:23:56 PM)
An obvious risk is the restrained, is bedsores. The biologically immobilized and the artificially restrained, share a lot of common risks http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007071.htm Take the following steps to prevent pressure ulcers: Change position at least every 2 hours to relieve pressure. Use items that can help reduce pressure -- pillows, sheepskin, foam padding, and powders from medical supply stores. Eat well-balanced meals that contain enough calories to keep you healthy. Drink plenty of water (8 to 10 cups) every day. Exercise daily, including range-of-motion exercises. Keep the skin clean and dry. After urinating or having a bowel movement, clean the area and dry it well. A doctor can recommend creams to help protect the skin.

littlewonder -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/8/2013 8:25:44 PM)
It takes a long time to acquire bedsores...I mean like a week immobilized, unless you have some other physical health issues. Otherwise I don't think one really needs to worry about those for a few hours or a couple of days.

tazzygirl -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/8/2013 8:31:37 PM)
Usually, no, you dont.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/8/2013 8:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts An obvious risk is the restrained, is bedsores. The biologically immobilized and the artificially restrained, share a lot of common risks Like lw said, it takes quite a while for bedsores to become an issue. And other thing we've been messing around with is changing my sleep position. I tend to sleep on my belly with the blankets tucked in tight around me all the way (even in 90 degree temps) and one knee pulled up against my shoulder, with my hands and arms tightly holding the blankets. He compares my preferred mode of sleep to me building Fort Knox every night in our bedroom. So lately, we've been working on getting me used to sleep spread eagle, with means of a spreader bar, and cuffs, to promote cough accessibility, considering that we both enjoy a surprise wake-up-fuck in the morning. The plan is to maintain totally immobilizing bondage overnight long enough that it becomes my habitual sleep position, and is just by default what feels most comfortable to me. No problem with any bedsores whatsoever at all, but of course the bondage isn't sustained more than 8-10 hours either, which is generally far too short for bedsores to become an issue.

SexyThoughts -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 12:17:26 AM)
Nothing personal just picking the last in a thread, dealing with various styles including 1) 36+ hours of play 2) Full body mummification and the resulting sweat and other fluids. 3) Bondage to achieve a confused mental state 3 people say bed sores aren't a risk. The Mayo clinic and the NZ dermatological society disagree http://www.dermnetnz.org/reactions/bedsore.html http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bedsores/DS00570/DSECTION=prevention As little as 2 hours in a bed. 15minutes in a wheelchair. No age disclaimer. So for 36+ hours of restricted movement from bondage and/or mummy play, we're in their risk zone. "Excessive exposure to moisture such as sweat, blood, urine or faeces also increases the likelihood of bedsores." yeah with both sexy and terror strain, while wrapped up warm, body sweat is factor. Pushed further into the zone by squirting, dripping, farting, pissing, leather, rubber... and other risk factors. "Mechanical stress to the skin" in a vanilla context doesn't mean spanking or heavier. Those count as bonus risk. "If blood supply is cut off to an area of skin for more than 2 or 3 hours the skin is deprived of oxygen and begins to die" 8hours of bound sleeping, yup back to another window of risk. Also 2 hours of your mind leaving your body, which if you do it right is also possible. "when slowly sliding down a bed or chair, friction to the outer skin layer such as from wrinkled bedding and clothing contribute to skin injury and ulcers" Lying on restraints count as lying on a wrinkles. TL:DR The longer and harder you play, the less freedom you give the sub, the more unusual risk factors you have to factor for. If you mummify someone for 36 hours and get their brain too float away, you really want to check the nursing protocols for bed bound patients. All their preventative steps cost labor, but they wouldn't suggest them if they didn't think the cost of not doing them wasn't higher.

Kana -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 3:37:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Master has talked about catheters and feeding tubes in the future for longer periods of bondage. But I think that's a bit further in the future until my health issues are under control. Master wants electric catheters so he can send shocks all the way up inside. Oh God, yes he does. He wants to hear you scream and writhe

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 3:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder Master has talked about catheters and feeding tubes in the future for longer periods of bondage. But I think that's a bit further in the future until my health issues are under control. Master wants electric catheters so he can send shocks all the way up inside. Oh God, yes he does. He wants to hear you scream and writhe If you get that one working out be sure to let me know. Ever since the first hardcore bondage story I ever read ( The Box, by Thndrshark) catheters, feeding tubes, and especially, breathing tubes have always had a warm place in my heart. [;)]

Kana -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 5:24:38 AM)
I like Thundershark too. You should try some Mr Bondskin while you're at it, Ishi. IIRC, he plays in the same zip codes

ARIES83 -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 6:18:49 AM)
I had a relative that died in hospital because of some botch up with a catheter damaging his bladder, causing blood poisoning and a heart attack... So I tend to urge caution where catheters are involved. You could get a pacemaker or something and have it modified for remote control then stuff it in the uterus? that area can take a bit of punishment, and if you break it, it's removable. [sm=rofl.gif] I wonder what the pricetag would be like for something like that haha... You could save a bit with DIY instalation, If I had to take a guess at what tools to have handy... I'd say... BBQ Tongs, lube and a flashlight.[:D]

SwitchNSpanky -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 7:51:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky I've had loads of experiance with sensory deprivation. This is a dangerous thing you attempt. A person can have many long dormant fobias that come to the surface. Even if you've known and trusted your partner for an extensive amount of time. Also. Your supposed to be an experienced player and yet you make light of something like this that could easily cause physical or metal damage. Your obviously not conciddering what others who read this poast might do as a result of reading this. Be responsible and gradually increase the time your in the hood by short incriments. That way you and your partner will be better prepared for any mishaps. He needs to train himself to stay alert and keep his eye on you. Even when (especially when) he's pretending he is not watching. Your Dom working is not a good time to try something like this either. Be responsible and do it on a day he has off and can focus on you. It would be loads safer. How on Earth am I making light of it when I specifically started this thread to ask others for warnings and experiences, as well as having done extensive research on professional papers published on the subject? The very fact that I'm doing my research, asking questions, as well as opening a discussion about potential problems should make it very clear to anybody reading that this is not something to casually experiment with. I'm not hear preaching that this is no big deal, not in any way dangerous, and that it can't have ill effects on once psyche when things go wrong. I have a lot of experience with sensory deprivation, having frequently slept in sensory deprivation as well as having played countless times while sensory deprived for over a decade. Not only have I played a lot, for up to 3 hours or so, while sensory deprived, with multiple partners, I've also played extensively with sensory deprivation with my current husband, and he's very in tune with the effects it has on me, my body language while sensory deprived, as well as potential trigger points that I have (foot phobia wise) that may put me in a bad headspace to continue complete sensory deprivation in. I just never have done it as long as the plan is for this particular experiment. As far as him working during the experiment, that's part of the whole next step we're attempting this time. Ideally this would become a regular thing in our routine on weeks we don't have custody, with me getting used to doing several mundane tasks around the house while hooded, without supervision, to a level of comfort approximating that of a person going deaf and blind later in life. We have the benefit of joint custody, him working from home, and me not working at all, which leaves us 50% of our time with just the two of us going at it like kinky rabbits. Multiple day bondage projects in which life IS 24/7 whips, chains and restrains is very much part of our normal life together. This is just a next step in upping the ante. Unlike a certain other thread where you hammered me for making a female slave do a few jumping jacks without proper warnings of the inherent dangers of breast sag and pulled hamstrings, I'm seriously concerned here. I know you have lots of experiance and you and him seem like your tight and on the same page. Yet going from an 8 hour session into a 48 hour deal is a bit... Extreme. For you not so much, I'll bet. But I do fear you may be surprised how gnarly things can go fast. Also. I'm really worried about hubby working while you do this. Why not start this when he's not busy and go "bigger" from there? Also. Try to increase the time increment in smaller increments than 40 hours. Why not test 8 hours, then 12 hours then 16 hours etc? If this is really something you want then go for it. We all take risks. But, in regards to my use of the Cradle, I handled twelve hours beautifully but twenty four had my head spinning and I like confined spaces. Love naps and meditation. Just have some safety measures in place incase fantasy and reality don't mesh.

SwitchNSpanky -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 7:54:04 AM)
Oh. And if you can hear, what music or whatever your listening to will have a much more profound effect on your mind than you might think. So control (or have him control) as much sound as possible. It really helps.

SwitchNSpanky -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 8:06:52 AM)
Having things to meditate on would help quite a bit with keeping your head in the right place after you hit a certain threshold. I'd memorize a list of "topics" so when it gets real you don't have to think something up on the fly while your stressed. It will also be loads safer if he limits your movement to a room at a time and helps you travel the house. At first anyway. Your analogy of learning to perform tasks as a blind woman would is very interesting. It's way cool kink and has a fascinating science side to it. I'm looking forward to updates as to how this works out. Would love to have you start a thread about your experiances doing this. Very interested to see how long it takes you to build a mental map of the house and how long until you accurately count steps, etc. My wife had a friend when we met who was very blind. Yet he still built race cars in his garage. He was far and away a better mechanic than myself and I could see. Very impressive. He'd rebuild and instal engines even!

SwitchNSpanky -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 8:59:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder It takes a long time to acquire bedsores...I mean like a week immobilized, unless you have some other physical health issues. Otherwise I don't think one really needs to worry about those for a few hours or a couple of days. Usually takes a week or more. But. Being restrained as in mummification it takes much less time. In 24 hours my twitching gave me some small sores where the bindings were tight but left some room. Think a hood would be cool for Fourty eight if it fit well tho.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:15:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana I like Thundershark too. You should try some Mr Bondskin while you're at it, Ishi. IIRC, he plays in the same zip codes Yeah it's somewhat similar. I read all of his stuff years ago as well. It's so hard to find decent -written- porn on the internet these days, I feel like I've found, read, and reread everything in my taste range 10 times over. Though lately, going back and rereading some of my old favorite classics, I've noticed that I tend to modify and correct all that was wrong with the stories in my memories of them. I tend to elaborate in memory on the parts I liked apparently, and a lot more of the chicks end up dying in the end. [:D] Maybe I should take up writing shorts myself.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:18:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky Unlike a certain other thread where you hammered me for making a female slave do a few jumping jacks without proper warnings of the inherent dangers of breast sag and pulled hamstrings, I'm seriously concerned here. And yet I'm in no way downplaying the risks I know I'll be taking. I made it very clear that I know there are risks, and that I'm actively researching those risks, and that this is not something one should go in unprepared, and uneducated. I didn't come in here and say: Oh doing this is no big deal, sure people can freak out doing it, but that's just part of the fun. When you do this with somebody and they freak out, you just push them passed it, because the disorientation and mental instability is all part of the goal. Which is what you did, in regards to pain during exercise, on the thread you're referring to. quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky Just have some safety measures in place incase fantasy and reality don't mesh. I do, like I said: if things aren't working I'll tell him. I'm not obligated to obey him in any ways, so if stuff isn't working out, merely telling him will end the entire scene.

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:21:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SexyThoughts The Mayo clinic and the NZ dermatological society disagree http://www.dermnetnz.org/reactions/bedsore.html http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bedsores/DS00570/DSECTION=prevention As little as 2 hours in a bed. 15minutes in a wheelchair. No age disclaimer. So for 36+ hours of restricted movement from bondage and/or mummy play, we're in their risk zone. That's very interesting information. Thanks for pulling up those links. It helps a lot, I learned something new today.

Kana -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:26:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar quote: ORIGINAL: Kana I like Thundershark too. You should try some Mr Bondskin while you're at it, Ishi. IIRC, he plays in the same zip codes Yeah it's somewhat similar. I read all of his stuff years ago as well. It's so hard to find decent -written- porn on the internet these days, I feel like I've found, read, and reread everything in my taste range 10 times over. Though lately, going back and rereading some of my old favorite classics, I've noticed that I tend to modify and correct all that was wrong with the stories in my memories of them. I tend to elaborate in memory on the parts I liked apparently, and a lot more of the chicks end up dying in the end. [:D] Maybe I should take up writing shorts myself. The Nets gotten wussier too. Lots less really out there hard core stuff than there once was back in the day. now it's all Fifty Shades of Dreck. Funny thing, every once in a while I think of writing a story too, maybe we should mindmeld...

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:29:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky Oh. And if you can hear, what music or whatever your listening to will have a much more profound effect on your mind than you might think. So control (or have him control) as much sound as possible. It really helps. I've tried music and the likes before, and I don't respond well to it. It's too distracting. I do much better with the 'white noise' that's created by the leather of the hood itself. quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky Having things to meditate on would help quite a bit with keeping your head in the right place after you hit a certain threshold. I'd memorize a list of "topics" so when it gets real you don't have to think something up on the fly while your stressed. That would be counter productive, seeing as the thing I'll have to focus on will be learning to do whatever household task at hand blind. We'll probably start of with something relatively stationary, and easy, like folding laundry, and my focus should be on the sensations that come with that, in order to get used to doing it fast, correctly, easily and efficiently. quote: ORIGINAL: SwitchNSpanky It will also be loads safer if he limits your movement to a room at a time and helps you travel the house. At first anyway. Your analogy of learning to perform tasks as a blind woman would is very interesting. It's way cool kink and has a fascinating science side to it. I'm looking forward to updates as to how this works out. Would love to have you start a thread about your experiances doing this. Very interested to see how long it takes you to build a mental map of the house and how long until you accurately count steps, etc. I'll let everybody know how it goes. I'm pretty sure that he's planning on starting small, as far as giving tasks that require a lot of things to be done in place at first goes. He won't be guiding me through the house though, that would be counterproductive in me learning to find my own way. Instead, at first there will be a lot of very slow, careful moment, trying to map out the 'new' world around me.

DesFIP -> RE: Extremely long term sensory deprivation (7/9/2013 11:41:32 AM)
If you're trying to create the experience of missing your sense of hearing and sight, in reality you would have accommodations in the house. You would have someone guide you through it until you memorized where everything was. The stove would have Braille markings and controls in the front. You would have a cane to use to sense your environment. And eventually a service dog. I do hope you aren't going to be allowed to cook. And that if you are injured, the hood is one you can remove yourself to call for help. Something else to consider is what your hair will look like after sweating. I would suggest putting conditioner in before and not washing it out. Should help minimize giant tangles.

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