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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The 'self-defense' for Martin is established the moment Zimmerman came close enough to be considered a physical threat.

Start attacking anybody who gets close enough to be a threat and we'll be watching your trial on TV next.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

You forgot the 'shot from 8 feet away' and 'Zimmerman was screeching racist insults' bits this time. Why?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Particularly since burden of proof is on the State.

Witness testimony to George's multiple head injuries are in evidence. Witness testimony of George screaming for help while Trayvon was on top of him raining down blows is in evidence. If the state wants to argue otherwise, the burden is theirs.

Witness George Zimmerman CHANGING HIS TESTIMONY about whether or not the screams are his. BEFORE reviewing the 911 tapes with the cops.... ZIMMERMAN CLAIMS that Martin had his mouth covered and COULD NOT SCREAM. But after hearing the tape, where Martin stops screaming IMMEDIATELY after Zimmerman shoots him Zimmerman's story changes.

Now, is there any other actual EVIDENCE that Zimmerman was the one screaming? There's that dude who testified that he heard the screams bouncing off the far building. He also suggested that since Zimmerman had MMA training, and there was MMA fighting going on, that while they were grappling, Zimmerman was the one who 'ground and pounded' Marting. And of course, the lack of ZIMMERMAN DNA ON MARTIN does sort of go with the lack of REASONABLE FEAR of GBH or Death.

But then REASONABLE people don't take speed, and then pack firearms, do they?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Particularly since burden of proof is on the State.

Witness testimony to George's multiple head injuries are in evidence. Witness testimony of George screaming for help while Trayvon was on top of him raining down blows is in evidence. If the state wants to argue otherwise, the burden is theirs.

Witness George Zimmerman CHANGING HIS TESTIMONY about whether or not the screams are his. BEFORE reviewing the 911 tapes with the cops.... ZIMMERMAN CLAIMS that Martin had his mouth covered and COULD NOT SCREAM. But after hearing the tape, where Martin stops screaming IMMEDIATELY after Zimmerman shoots him Zimmerman's story changes.

This is such a misrepresentation of the evidence as to be an outright work of fiction.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


That's why I said "pursued".

I'll take 2 syllable words for 100 Alex.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


Well, that's not in evidence, is it, so there's nothing for a jury to consider.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

You forgot the 'shot from 8 feet away' and 'Zimmerman was screeching racist insults' bits this time. Why?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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How did you know he was armed?

Well let's say for argument sake that he did know. It's still bullshit. If the weapon is holstered, not drawn, not being brandished in a threatening manner, how does the mere fact that a person is armed give anyone the right to attack them and claim "self-defense"?

K.

It doesn't, in fact if anything it makes them suicidal.

The 'self-defense' for Martin is established the moment Zimmerman came close enough to be considered a physical threat. Zimmerman never identified himself, nor was he wearing a badge or uniform, so there is no reason for Martin to believe that Zimmerman IS NOT a threat to his life. And given Zimmerman's provocation, by following Martin in his car. Parking where Martin would walk past, and staring at him. Getting out of his car and following...

Any Jew or Black would think that the Aryan Brotherhood or Latin Kings are looking to make bones that night. And when Zimmerman got closer than any Police Officer would allow without positive control of the situation, then Trayvon Martin's right to self-defense began.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Particularly since burden of proof is on the State.

Witness testimony to George's multiple head injuries are in evidence. Witness testimony of George screaming for help while Trayvon was on top of him raining down blows is in evidence. If the state wants to argue otherwise, the burden is theirs.

Witness George Zimmerman CHANGING HIS TESTIMONY about whether or not the screams are his. BEFORE reviewing the 911 tapes with the cops.... ZIMMERMAN CLAIMS that Martin had his mouth covered and COULD NOT SCREAM. But after hearing the tape, where Martin stops screaming IMMEDIATELY after Zimmerman shoots him Zimmerman's story changes.

This is such a misrepresentation of the evidence as to be an outright work of fiction.

Please provide evidence which disproves Zimmerman changing his testimony -- exactly as I've stated. Osterman's book confirms. Initial report is that Martin prevented Zimmerman from screaming. Changes after review of 911 tape with police.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf

From the neighborhood watch manual, page 25.

REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.

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And you are still utterly wrong, no matter which of the 2 words you used ('walk' or 'pursue') you select.

There is nothing in any part of the legal system that reaches the threshold for self defense based only the 2 observable factors in Zimmerman's case... having brown skin, and following. Invisible guns don't count.

No amount of sophistry is going to make it legal to physically attack minorities for no other reason than 'the N-word (Martin's choice of words) looked at me wrong/pursued me'.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


That's why I said "pursued".

I'll take 2 syllable words for 100 Alex.

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ORIGINAL: MinaBallerina

If this is what this site is about am LEAVING IT I CAME HER FOE FETISHES NOT THIS BULLSHIT.

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And you are still utterly wrong, no matter which of the 2 words you used ('walk' or 'pursue') you select.

There is nothing in any part of the legal system that reaches the threshold for self defense based only the 2 observable factors in Zimmerman's case... having brown skin, and following. Invisible guns don't count.

No amount of sophistry is going to make it legal to physically attack minorities for no other reason than 'the N-word (Martin's choice of words) looked at me wrong/pursued me'.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


That's why I said "pursued".

I'll take 2 syllable words for 100 Alex.

Who said it was invisible or that minority had anything to do with it?

Lotta straw there.

Here's the conversation.
Officer "what happened here"
Person. "Dude was following me and had a gun. I thought I was going to be mugged"
Officer "Go home and we'll call you"

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

That only applies *when on patrol*,

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf

From the neighborhood watch manual, page 25.

REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.

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A look at a map shows it is quite possible that Trayvon (black arrow) was simply trying to get away from Zimmerman (yellow arrow) and get home (green box). Have all the witnesses been accurate and honest in their testimonies? Well, like I said, I don't know anyone involved... so I am unable to form a judgment on the matter.



What I do know is this: George Zimmerman saw a young black man walking down the street and apparently assumed that such an individual simply must be up to no good... and thereby set in motion the events that led to Trayvon's death.

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That only applies *when on patrol*,

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

http://www.usaonwatch.org/assets/publications/0_NW_Manual_1210.pdf

From the neighborhood watch manual, page 25.

REMEMBER:
Community members only serve as the extra “eyes and ears” of law enforcement. They should report their observations of suspicious activities to law enforcement; however, citizens should never try to take action on those observations. Trained law enforcement should be the only ones ever to take action based on observations of suspicious activities.

Show where it says that.

LEO's do NOT want citizens trying to do their job for them at any time other than to observe and report. That's not just neighborhood watch.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

A look at a map shows it is quite possible that Trayvon (black arrow) was simply trying to get away from Zimmerman (yellow arrow) and get home (green box). Have all the witnesses been accurate and honest in their testimonies? Well, like I said, I don't know anyone involved... so I am unable to form a judgment on the matter.



What I do know is this: George Zimmerman saw a young black man walking down the street and apparently assumed that such an individual simply must be up to no good... and thereby set in motion the events that led to Trayvon's death.

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ORIGINAL: Ladytisha
I have every right to defend myself from harm. Self Defense

By attacking someone who has not harmed you? How many innocent people have you attacked today?

Are you saying that it is against the law to bitch slap someone who assaults you?

no we are saying its against the law to bitch slap someone who has NOT attacked you

Is an assault an attack?

sure it is, who are you saying assulted and/or attacked whom?

there is ZERO evidence that that Z attacked and/or assualted M

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

A look at a map shows it is quite possible that Trayvon (black arrow) was simply trying to get away from Zimmerman (yellow arrow) and get home (green box). Have all the witnesses been accurate and honest in their testimonies? Well, like I said, I don't know anyone involved... so I am unable to form a judgment on the matter.



What I do know is this: George Zimmerman saw a young black man walking down the street and apparently assumed that such an individual simply must be up to no good... and thereby set in motion the events that led to Trayvon's death.

That map is inaccurate. George did not get out of the vehicle there, the yellow path is wrong, and the fight started where the sidewalk forms the T intersection.