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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm leglly walking through a public greenway. You decide you don't like me there. You park your car, get out and walk several hundred feet away to confront me.

I start stomping a mudhole in your ass and you pull a weapon.

Who is the aggressor?

You are.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'm leglly walking through a public greenway. You decide you don't like me there. You park your car, get out and walk several hundred feet away to confront me.

I start stomping a mudhole in your ass and you pull a weapon.

Who is the aggressor?

You are.

K.

I disagree. I'm in a public place and an armed person pursues me. They're the aggressor.
I have a right to self defense.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

It hasnt been proven he took "multiple head injuries"

Photos prove he took multiple head injuries.

No, you need to read the post I replied too....

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The question will boil down to...would a man pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries reasonably fear imminent death or great bodily injury.

Again, there is no proof he had multiple head injuries under that condition.... if there is, please point to it.

You fellas are assuming he got the bloody nose and the head wounds while T had him "pinned" to the ground.

Now, prove it.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Another person approaches you in a public place, so you plaster him and call it "self-defense"? Bullshit.

Nobody attacked you. You were the attacker.

K.

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The assumption is that Zimmerman got those documented injuries between the time he was heard speaking clearly to the dispatcher, and the time a few minutes later when the police lit him up moments after the trigger was pulled. (Those seconds can be counted off on the neighbor's call, from the sound of the gunshot, to 'there are men out there with lights now'.

Prove otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The assumption is that Zimmerman got those documented injuries between the time he was heard speaking clearly to the dispatcher, and the time a few minutes later when the police lit him up moments after the trigger was pulled. (Those seconds can be counted off on the neighbor's call, from the sound of the gunshot, to 'there are men out there with lights now'.

Prove otherwise.

Just as soon as you can prove they were all obtained while he was on the ground pinned beneath Zimmerman.. as was claimed as being factual.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Another person approaches you in a public place, so you plaster him and call it "self-defense"? Bullshit.

Nobody attacked you. You were the attacker.

K.

And what led up to that moment, K? Zimmerman wasn't just a random stranger passing by, assaulted out of the blue by some stoned little street thug.

A situation was created, escalated into violence, and wound up with the person who initiated the situation killing the other. Put it on Zimmercan carrying out his volunteer duties, it's back to neighborhood watch not being supposed to carry guns. Either way, it's case that deserves a jury to look at it, and with a criminal charge appropriate to the circumstances.

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As has been explained to you over, and over and over again, since I've never made any such claim, I don't have to prove jack shit, when I present the verifiable facts.

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The question will boil down to...would a man pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries reasonably fear imminent death or great bodily injury.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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As has been explained to you over, and over and over again, since I've never made any such claim, I don't have to prove jack shit, when I present the verifiable facts.

Maybe if you actually followed a thread you would realize where this all originated from.

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4491116

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The question will boil down to...would a man pinned to the ground taking multiple head injuries reasonably fear imminent death or great bodily injury.

This requires a supposition that T had Z pinned to the ground before the three injuries to his head occurred... something no one can prove either way, except to say, if T didnt punch Z in the face, knocking him to the ground, where he obtained at least one other head injury before T straddled him, how the hell did T get him on the ground?

Read carefully, its being claimed all head injuries were obtained while pinned beneath T.

Dont demand proof without knowing the full story behind the discussion.

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Now, since I have no burden of proof for something I didn't say, how about addressing what I did say about the timeline of the head injuries?

The facts entered into evidence in court suggest they happened sometime between the first call to the police, and the arrival of the first officer. When do you claim they happened?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The assumption is that Zimmerman got those documented injuries between the time he was heard speaking clearly to the dispatcher, and the time a few minutes later when the police lit him up moments after the trigger was pulled. (Those seconds can be counted off on the neighbor's call, from the sound of the gunshot, to 'there are men out there with lights now'.

Prove otherwise.

Just as soon as you can prove they were all obtained while he was on the ground pinned beneath Zimmerman.. as was claimed as being factual.

Because... if they were all obtained while on the ground, beneath T, pinned by T.... just how did he get Z to the ground, did he trip him?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow... you really need to read.

Why butt into a conversation that you have no clue about?

That was someone else who claimed that.

You butted into a conversation between Raiikun, RacerJim and myself... demanding I prove something without even knowing what the hell I needed to prove.

And now you wanna moan about being called out on your lack of knowledge concerning the discussion?

Just incredible.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

A conversation? ROTFLMAO!!! Just answer the question. When did the head injuries occur?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow... you really need to read.

Why butt into a conversation that you have no clue about?

That was someone else who claimed that.

You butted into a conversation between Raiikun, RacerJim and myself... demanding I prove something without even knowing what the hell I needed to prove.

And now you wanna moan about being called out on your lack of knowledge concerning the discussion?

Just incredible.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow... If someone claims something as fact, then provide the facts. Dont tell me the case hinges on a set of facts that are NOT in evidence.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Zimmerman wasn't on Neighborhood Watch that night, and they have neither policy, nor control of what people do legally when they aren't acting as NW patrol.

Those myths have been debunked for months now, what is the point in repeating them?

After the prosecution witnesses, what has come out is that the precursor to the confrontation was Zimmerman having brown skin, and looking at Martin the wrong way.

I'm still waiting for any of the legal experts here to provide a single shred of current law that upholds that as a criminal act triggering the self defense standard.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Another person approaches you in a public place, so you plaster him and call it "self-defense"? Bullshit.

Nobody attacked you. You were the attacker.

K.

And what led up to that moment, K? Zimmerman wasn't just a random stranger passing by, assaulted out of the blue by some stoned little street thug.

A situation was created, escalated into violence, and wound up with the person who initiated the situation killing the other. Put it on Zimmercan carrying out his volunteer duties, it's back to neighborhood watch not being supposed to carry guns. Either way, it's case that deserves a jury to look at it, and with a criminal charge appropriate to the circumstances.