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Hey, if he can claim that the dead thug attacked him on zero evidence, then turnabout is fair play: he's a racist.

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Funny you should mention that. It's all over the news. People everywhere, all of them white racists of course, shouting that he should have been shot sooner for not getting along with his mother. I think I hear a bunch of them outside right now.

Well what are you waiting for? Grab your video camera and record them... then post it on you tube. I mean, this is a rare occurrence, racists actually having the courage to show their true colors. Although I suspect that most of them don't care about Trayvon's relationship with his mother or his grades at school (it was what's his face that brought up all that blame the victim nonsense). Just the fact that he is black is reason enough for them to declare him the guilty one.

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Errrrrmmm.... Trayvon Martin isn't on trial. George Zimmerman is... You know, the brown skinned guy that *some* people have been busy declaring to be a racist on the basis of zero evidence.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Farg. For the umpteenth time. You do NOT have to be injured to be in fear of your imminent demise.

But there has to be something. Martin did not have a weapon, did not have Zimmerman in a position to actually kill him intentionally and was not using sufficient force to do any significant damage (this is according to the Zimmerman version of events which the prosecutor showed yesterday is a lie).

So even if you believe Zimmerman, which at this point is ludicrous, what was the cause of his imminent fear of death or great bodily harm that would have elicited the same fear in a reasonable person?

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Whereas it is oh so easy to claim racism is behind every decision.
And I'll give you some advice - which you will promptly ignore.

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Don't be so quick to assert racism what is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Regarding post 488 - as I alluded to it in your previous post, clearly I had already read it.
As I said now three times, as far as I'm concerned I agree with the poster. You do owe him common courtesy. Just as I owe you common courtesy as well.

Just like you owe not cheating on your taxes, and being impartial as you can be in a jury trial. I also think you have moral and ethical obligations. I'm sorry you don't.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Errrrrmmm.... Trayvon Martin isn't on trial. George Zimmerman is... You know, the brown skinned guy that *some* people have been busy declaring to be a racist on the basis of zero evidence.

And yet it is the dead black kid that some people want to blame because he made, in their opinion, "poor choices," during his lifetime. Choices like, apparently, thinking he could walk down the street without accounting for himself to random strangers.

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It all is going to hang today on how the Judge instructs the Jury. There's no cut and dried definition of 'provoked', and Zimmerman's following of Martin certainly meets my standard for it -- given the reasonable fear any black male would have walking alone in the south and being followed and chased by an UNIDENTIFIED person at night.

I really hate liberal, ignorant new yorkers.

Saying Florida is part of the "south" is like saying the bronx is part of the south, just because its south of albany. Florida has nothing in common with georgia, alabama, virginia et.al. And frankly Miami was known as New York's 6th borough until the Marial Boatlift made it Havana's borough. We are a tourism economy with trade and entertainment ties to most of the world - not a plantation / mfg mentality. Canada not the confederacy.

So much for the accuracy of the word "south".
And the statement "given the reasonable fear that any black male would have walking alone in the south" - is racist and ignorant beyond belief.

I roomed with black men while in college. I work in a predominantly black and hispanic factory now. Never, in more than 40 years has a black man said anything about being afraid to walk anywhere alone. Not in Miami, not in Atlanta. Perhaps thats a problem in New York.

And Zimmerman's testimony (corroborated by the dispatch call) was that at the time of the incident he had lost sight of Travon and was heading back to his car. Also corroborated by two witnesses. So much for the "chase" theory. For that matter so much for "all Z had to do was identify himself" theory. Martin was a thug.

Others have educated you that you are wrong that there is not a cut and dried meaning for provoked. About the only thing I agree with you on is that much will depend on the jury instruction.

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ORIGINAL: PressPlay

This is done. They will, I believe, let him walk. My last and useless question is this. Is the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in and Neighbor patrolled so rough that, he had to carry his gun with him when he went grocery shopping at Target? That's where he was headed when he noticed the drugged up Trayvonn Martin sneaking through.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Whereas it is oh so easy to claim racism is behind every decision.
And I'll give you some advice - which you will promptly ignore.

Who said anything about every decision? But given the history of racism in this country, it is not unreasonable to at least suspect that Trayvon would still be alive today if he were white.

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Yes, I blame Travon. You are given one life. And how you use it - and what you choose to do with it is your responsibility. *Your* responsibility - just like it was travon's.

No one said travon couldnt walk down a street. No one said Zimmerman shouldn't have been polite. What I said was Travon had an obligation not to start a fist fight because he didn't like what Zimmerman had to say.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Errrrrmmm.... Trayvon Martin isn't on trial. George Zimmerman is... You know, the brown skinned guy that *some* people have been busy declaring to be a racist on the basis of zero evidence.

And yet it is the dead black kid that some people want to blame because he made, in their opinion, "poor choices," during his lifetime. Choices like, apparently, thinking he could walk down the street without accounting for himself to random strangers.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux




Yes, I blame Travon. You are given one life. And how you use it - and what you choose to do with it is your responsibility. *Your* responsibility - just like it was travon's.

No one said travon couldnt walk down a street. No one said Zimmerman shouldn't have been polite. What I said was Travon had an obligation not to start a fist fight because he didn't like what Zimmerman had to say.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Who specifically is blaming the dead black kid, and in what specific manner?

Because so far, we have you repeatedly calling the brown skinned man a racist, and refusing to back it up, followed by what look suspiciously like projection to deflect attention away from your own words.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Errrrrmmm.... Trayvon Martin isn't on trial. George Zimmerman is... You know, the brown skinned guy that *some* people have been busy declaring to be a racist on the basis of zero evidence.

And yet it is the dead black kid that some people want to blame because he made, in their opinion, "poor choices," during his lifetime. Choices like, apparently, thinking he could walk down the street without accounting for himself to random strangers.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Yes, I blame Travon.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Who specifically is blaming the dead black kid, and in what specific manner?

Because so far, we have you repeatedly calling the brown skinned man a racist, and refusing to back it up, followed by what look suspiciously like projection to deflect attention away from your own words.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Errrrrmmm.... Trayvon Martin isn't on trial. George Zimmerman is... You know, the brown skinned guy that *some* people have been busy declaring to be a racist on the basis of zero evidence.

And yet it is the dead black kid that some people want to blame because he made, in their opinion, "poor choices," during his lifetime. Choices like, apparently, thinking he could walk down the street without accounting for himself to random strangers.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
Yes, I blame Travon.

There's one there.

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Who specifically is blaming the dead black kid, and in what specific manner?

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Because so far, we have you repeatedly calling the brown skinned man a racist, and refusing to back it up, followed by what look suspiciously like projection to deflect attention away from your own words.