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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 9:09:04 PM   
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And from google translate

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Sadosex ended up in court
The husband, who is accused of violence and rape, says that he was within his rights.

Sex games at home with a 44-year-old Danish couple ended by the Swedish courts.

She has multiple injuries after their sadomasochistic excesses, says prosecutor Ingela Klinteberg who accuse the man, among other rape and abuse.

The man claims to have the right to mistreat his wife, since she approved it in a sadomasochistic contract.

The Danish couple married a few years ago and settled in Blekinge in southern Sweden, but a few months ago revealed the woman their bizarre sex lives.

She felt so scared that she fled from the man by jumping from a balcony on the 2nd floor. In the fall damaged her back strongly and was admitted to the hospital, where she told staff about his fear of man. At the same time could also showcase injuries she had received from his sexual assault. Doctors contacted the police, and the man was arrested.

In a three-day trial described the woman his hell with the man - how he had regularly abused and raped her.

"It's about very serious sexual crimes," notes Ingela Klinteberg. She believes the 44-year-old has been very reckless and rough against his wife, and the woman was in danger when she was forced into sexual acts that have been very offensive to her.

The man denies all charges. "We have a contract that gives me the right to use violence," explained the man in court. "She has been on the ball. '

In the contract, the woman consented to the man uses force against her, and that she must submit to him. The contract also describes their various roles in the relationship. Despite this, the court considered that the man was guilty.

While he waited for the judgment, he had mental examination, after which it would be decided whether he was in prison or in psychiatric treatment. At the same time the man allowed to have contact with his wife and a few days later she turned and withdrew everything she had said during the trial. She said now that she had lied to the court.

The man was released and the charges dropped. Prosecutor Sven-Erik Alhem, Malmo, thought that this was a mistake and requested the man be arrested again. "It is not unusual for a woman who is abused, draws its information back," he said. The man has, besides, been able to influence her. The contract, he does not mean anything. "You can not write a binding agreement that will allow themselves to be mistreated," explained the prosecutor Alhem. And you can not disclaim responsibility for their violent actions.


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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 9:28:14 PM   
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And another story.

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A HUSBAND who became a “slave master” to his wife after the couple signed a bizarre sex contract faces jail after lashing her with a belt in a string of attacks.

Scott Western admitted he was “100 per cent in control” of wife Therese after the pair entered into the sadomasochistic pact in a bid to “save their 15-year marriage”.

Therese went to police after three beatings on the same day at their Edinburgh flat left her needing hospital treatment.

Police caught Western carrying a copy of the contract, signed by both of them, to his car as he planned to flee the home.

The documents contained rules for the couple’s master and slave relationship, specifying sexual acts and household chores which had to be completed by Therese, 46, or she faced “punishment”.

Among the “rules” she would be beaten for breaking were failing to answer a question quickly enough, opening the passenger door of their car instead of waiting for her husband to do it, and refusing to have sex when he wanted.

Western, a former administrator of Hearts web forum Jambos Kickback, pleaded guilty at Edinburgh Sheriff Court yesterday to a charge of assaulting his wife at their flat in Murrayburn Place, Wester Hailles, on June 10 last year.

Depute fiscal Dev Kapadia told the court that the couple had “entered into a contract that (Mrs Western) was to be the accused’s slave and was to do anything the accused said”.

On the day of the attacks, the couple were in bed when Western awoke at 7.30am and told his wife that he wanted sex.

When she refused, Western slapped her on the head, face, chest and stomach, then struck her 10 times across her back with his belt.

Later that day, the couple drove to visit Therese’s 25-year-old daughter from a previous relationship, but only after Western had checked his wife for “visible bruises”.

Mr Kapadia told the court: “One rule was that [Mrs Western] could not leave the car until the accused opened the door for her.”

But Therese forgot the “rule” and when they arrived back at the flat, Western ordered his wife into the living room and told her to strip off before beating her and lashing her with his belt.

The couple left the flat to have lunch at a cafe in Gorgie Road when Therese again let herself out of the car door.

The pair returned to the flat and Western ordered his wife to strip before beating her again.

That evening, Therese met her 22-year-old son from a previous relationship and told him she had been attacked and showed him her bruises.

The police were called and Mrs Western was taken to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary for treatment.

Officers went to the flat and saw Western walking to his car carrying a handful of documents, which later turned out to be the master and slave contract.

Western told police that he was leaving to stay in temporary accommodation, but he was detained and taken to Wester Hailes police station.

Western, who now lives in Murrayburn Grove, Wester Hailes admitted assaulting his wife, threatening her, inducing her to remove her clothes and striking her with a belt, all to her injury.

Sheriff Gordon Liddle deferred sentence until next month for background reports and released Western on bail.


It´s not a get out of jail free card if you think that.

And the court will listen to the botton first even if the botton lies.

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 9:59:38 PM   
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3 beatings in one day? And she is a liar?

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:12:31 PM   
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I think as somebody pointed out that M/s is rather based upon Total Power Exchange. If this is going to be some sort of Short Term relationship with an agreed start and end date. A short Contract at best. I still can't see for the life of me the purpose of things on paper, for anything besides having a clear written understanding of WTF is going down. Things don't always go as planned either. So.. Pfffftttt...

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:48:17 PM   
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3 beatings in one day? And she is a liar?

Do we talk about this girl or contracts?

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:49:14 PM   
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How about we discuss your lack of understanding at what constitutes lying.

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:51:52 PM   
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How about we discuss your lack of understanding at what constitutes lying.


A man in his 20s has been remanded in custody for four weeks, according to an agreed sex game according to the woman turned into rape

A man in his 20s has been jailed for four weeks of detention and rape, police said in Hvidovre to ekstrabladet.dk. It was a 21-year-old woman who reported the case on Tuesday night, where she according to the notification had been abducted and raped.

Constitution interrogation were conducted behind closed doors Friday, and therefore it sparingly what has emerged about the case. The case has caused Hvidovre Police major problems because there was an agreed upon sexual encounter between two ex-girlfriends, who according to police had a 'very experimental sex life'.

On Tuesday, the man was made ​​in the preliminary hearing where the judge decided to extend the detention for three days.

The two, who until recently were lovers, had, according to Deputy Police Commissioner Ole Nielsen entered into a written agreement on the 'cross-border sex'. As part of the course was the man abduct the woman, but the way she has probably tried to stop the process, without the man responded.

Both parties in the case have been examined and it has been found that there are 'brands' of the woman. In addition to the contract between the two parties, then the police have seized a video that describes a part of the process.

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:53:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

How about we discuss your lack of understanding at what constitutes lying.



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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:55:35 PM   
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Wow.. do try and understand English.

You made the claim the woman who was beaten three times in one day agreed to that by contract... and that she lied. What insane man would beat his slave three times in one day that she would end up needing medical help? Abusing property isnt what I would call a part of being a dom.. and it certainly leads me to believe he was not in mastery of himself, let alone the woman.

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 10:59:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow.. do try and understand English.

You made the claim the woman who was beaten three times in one day agreed to that by contract... and that she lied. What insane man would beat his slave three times in one day that she would end up needing medical help? Abusing property isnt what I would call a part of being a dom.. and it certainly leads me to believe he was not in mastery of himself, let alone the woman.



And where did i make that claim?

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It´s not a get out of jail free card if you think that.

And the court will listen to the botton first even if the botton lies.


I am as fare i can see ONLY talking about cantract, as you should understand from all the exsamples.

A contract will not hold in court, IF the girl is lying, DO YOU UNDERSTAND

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 11:03:32 PM   
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And where did i make that claim?


At the bottom of post 122.

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A contract will not hold in court, IF the girl is lying, DO YOU UNDERSTAND


That contract wont hold in the US... EVEN IF SHE ISNT LYING



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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 11:10:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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And where did i make that claim?


At the bottom of post 122.

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A contract will not hold in court, IF the girl is lying, DO YOU UNDERSTAND


That contract wont hold in the US... EVEN IF SHE ISNT LYING





No I'm talking about contracts and you're talking a specific case with a contract. There is a very big difference here, but it can probably be very difficult to understand.

Contracts are worthless, they can be fun to make, and write together, but beyond that it's just a worthless piece of paper that will never hold in a trial

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RE: Contracts - 7/12/2013 11:59:54 PM   
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Wow.. do try and understand English.

You made the claim the woman who was beaten three times in one day agreed to that by contract... and that she lied. What insane man would beat his slave three times in one day that she would end up needing medical help? Abusing property isnt what I would call a part of being a dom.. and it certainly leads me to believe he was not in mastery of himself, let alone the woman.


It's pretty fucking amazing how some people use BDSM as a mask/cover for maintaining a truly abusive relationship. Okay, consensual abuse may or may not be part of the deal for some people. This can become rather challenging to keep an open mind about at times.

Still as if a fucking contract gives somebody the legal grounds for this stuff anyways. It's rather laughable anybody would believe it would or could. Which is Entertaining in itself. Setting aside the issues of abuse and consent. LOL

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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 1:00:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Whiplashsmile4


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Wow.. do try and understand English.

You made the claim the woman who was beaten three times in one day agreed to that by contract... and that she lied. What insane man would beat his slave three times in one day that she would end up needing medical help? Abusing property isnt what I would call a part of being a dom.. and it certainly leads me to believe he was not in mastery of himself, let alone the woman.


It's pretty fucking amazing how some people use BDSM as a mask/cover for maintaining a truly abusive relationship. Okay, consensual abuse may or may not be part of the deal for some people. This can become rather challenging to keep an open mind about at times.

Still as if a fucking contract gives somebody the legal grounds for this stuff anyways. It's rather laughable anybody would believe it would or could. Which is Entertaining in itself. Setting aside the issues of abuse and consent. LOL




Bottom can go to the police with stripes from your whip alone, and you will still go to jail, it's not about the seriousness of abuse, but if a submissive is unhappy then helps a contract you NOT.

Maybe you meet a girl and she falls in love with you, but you are not in love with her, you and her make a playdate with contract and you whip her, she wants more from you, but you will only play with her, she go to the police and you're going to jail, contract or no contract

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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 3:55:45 AM   
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hrxxx, interesting. I, and many others, have been discussing this as though it was covered under US law. I do not know how a slave contract could be viewed under other countries' laws. If it were discussed using terms other than Master and slave, it might be legal. Who knows?

All three of the Scandinavian cases you present, would have been conducted similarly if they had been tried under US law. The guy who branded his woman and had video records and a signed contract - dummy gave the prosecution ironclad evidence.



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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 4:01:39 AM   
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Personally, I like the idea of a contract. Although it's not legally binding, it does define roles within a relationship dynamic, & of course is subject to change as the relationship grows.

It's something special between two people.

Big Bang is brill! Automatically thought of the room mate agreement .

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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 4:49:40 AM   
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hrxxx, interesting. I, and many others, have been discussing this as though it was covered under US law. I do not know how a slave contract could be viewed under other countries' laws. If it were discussed using terms other than Master and slave, it might be legal. Who knows?

All three of the Scandinavian cases you present, would have been conducted similarly if they had been tried under US law. The guy who branded his woman and had video records and a signed contract - dummy gave the prosecution ironclad evidence.




If you whip a girl!. And she goes to the police, and the police send her to the doctor / hospital who examines her and takes lovely fine pictures of her body, with the striper that you have made ​​with your whip.
The police will get you in for questioning, and smart as you are, you show them your contract that is made between Mr and Miss with agreed abuse.
The police will take this contract and show to the girl, and she will say "He threatened me to sign the contract and he had witnesses, I was really scared"
And in court, there will be pictures as large as posters of her bruising and the last thing you will hear before you leave the court is "Guilty as hell" and the next thing you see is a big black man named Bubba, before the cell door slamming shut behind you, and you can use your contract to wiping your tears and ass when Bubba is finished with you.


You can not do anything that is unlawful, legally by writing it in a contract, and abuse is illegal in most places in the world, in some countries you can pay you out of the Legal System, but it is probably not in the U.S.

The four cases I have found is from Denmark Sweden Italy and Scotland, it must be damn big the image you have of Scandinavia. It took less than 3 minutes to find them, so there are probably many who are like you "who knows" common sense knows it

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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 4:52:24 AM   
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Personally, I like the idea of a contract. Although it's not legally binding, it does define roles within a relationship dynamic, & of course is subject to change as the relationship grows.

It's something special between two people.

Big Bang is brill! Automatically thought of the room mate agreement .


As I said, it's fun to write a contract together, writing rules and obligations. But besides that, there's not much it can be used for

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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 5:02:02 AM   
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If you whip a girl!. And she goes to the police,


Then it was either nonconsensual or else she got extremely angry and decided to get me prosecuted. Either way, I made a huge error.
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and the police send her to the doctor / hospital who examines her and takes lovely fine pictures of her body, with the striper that you have made ​​with your whip.

Additional evidence
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The police will get you in for questioning, and smart as you are, you show them your contract that is made between Mr and Miss with agreed abuse.

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I do know my best defense is to make a case that it was done in the heat of the moment. (Admittedly, hard to show that the whips just happened to be standing around.) Showing a contract proves premeditation and will make my defense impossible.




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RE: Contracts - 7/13/2013 5:18:30 AM   
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35 year old man, 19 year old woman.... trouble waiting to happen.

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