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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

 Martin wasn't an animal he was a human being. I guess you missed the part where it was an analogy. I'm not a Zimmerman fan Igor I don't know if what he said was true or lies. However on what he has said I don't think he is culpable...for reasons i've already stated. Namely that getting out of your car to ask someone what they're doing isn't a criminal act. Zimmerman had plenty of opportunity to ask Martin what he was doing without getting out of his car, ignoring Neighborhood Watch protocols, and ignoring the NEN dispatcher. Being attacked however certainly is. As is physically trying to detain someone, for which there is evidence that that is what Zimmerman was doing before Martin struck him trying to get away.

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For his part, Martin paid with his life. But for Zimmerman’s part, he walks out of court a free man. The last line of the Pledge of Allegiance says, “…with liberty and justice for ALL.” Where is the justice for Martin and his family? ''

In the trial. Which is based on what can be proved. To take another example where people invoke the no smoke without fire reasoning, the same justice as O.J. Simpson received. He could not be proved guilty. That's the law, Just ''knowing'' someone is isn't good enough and nor should it be.

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For his part, Martin paid with his life. But for Zimmerman’s part, he walks out of court a free man. The last line of the Pledge of Allegiance says, “…with liberty and justice for ALL.” Where is the justice for Martin and his family?

Im not sure that is true... that he is a "free man". He appears, according to his lawyer, to be living in disguises and fearing for his life. While that is very little justice for T's family.... karma is a bitch.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

Get over yourselves. I have better things to do. Shopping version collar chat, hummmmm.....

Oh good Lord, are you going to inflict the spawn of Arturas on the world?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2895205/mpage_3259/key_/tm.htm#4495957

K.

She is beautiful and I am blessed she has chosen and is able to do so. It is my first son.

Your post was intended to be an insult to a mother-to-be, or indirectly, to me though a baby's mother.
Do you feel real men talk to mothers in such a way? Did your father forget to teach how to be a man?
Do you somehow feel the use of a forum allows you to forget how to be a man and how to talk to a mother?

You must sicken any man among us, especially me.

The way I read it, it was a jab directed right at you and after reading your posts on this thread, I can see his point. Now a real man would shrug his shoulders and ignore it. Lets see how you will handle it? Oh wait we already did, didn't we.[8|]

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A groundskeeper at a zoo one day sees a lion that he thinks is acting strangely. Instead of waiting for the people in charge of the lions to get there, he decides to investigate it himself…telling himself that he is doing it so that he can better report on what the lion is doing (or at least that is what he later says). So he enters the cage and starts to follow the lion. The lion runs to get away, and the groundskeeper runs after the lion. Feeling threatened, the lion confronts the groundskeeper. Now the grounds keeper feels threatened and pulls a gun and shoots the lion.

Where the groundskeeper enters the cage is what breaks the analogy, as that implies he was entering an area he shouldn't. (It was already flawed before that though of course...a lion is a known dangerous animal, where George had no reason to suspect that Trayvon would circle back and punch him in the nose.) Actually, the analogy still holds. Zimmerman told the police that he thought Martin was "on drugs or something", and that he was "up to no good". At the time Zimmerman was in the safety of his vehicle. But he willingly chose to exit his vehicle and chase (follow if you will) this person that he though was on drugs and up to no good. So, like the groundskeeper, he willfully left the "safe" area of his vehicle to pursue someone that he claimed was on drugs and up to no good. And had he not attempted to physically detain Martin he most likely would not have gotten his nosed punched.

To fix it...a groundskeeper sees an animal that he doesn't recognize roaming uncaged. He doesn't know if it's a predator, someone's pet, etc, so he calls it in. After following it for a moment, he's advised not to, so he agrees, instead looking for a landmark closest so he can describe best where to go. The animal then attacks the groundskeeper in a place where the groundskeeper is permitted to be, and he shoots to protect himself. You "fixed" nothing. Why didn't Zimmerman let the police know what the landmark he was looking for was? He never gave them any new address to go to. Why? Because it most likely didn't happen and was all part of his contrived alibi.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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As someone who works at a zoo, I don't think either version of the groundskeeper analogy really works.

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ORIGINAL: Wendel27

  ''Actually, the analogy still holds. Zimmerman told the police that he thought Martin was "on drugs or something", and that he was "up to no good". At the time Zimmerman was in the safety of his vehicle. But he willingly chose to exit his vehicle and chase (follow if you will) this person that he though was on drugs and up to no good. So, like the groundskeeper, he willfully left the "safe" area of his vehicle to pursue someone that he claimed was on drugs and up to no good. And had he not attempted to physically detain Martin he most likely would not have gotten his nosed punched.''

  Apart from the last sentence Igor which is conjecture and not proven none of the above has Zimmerman doing anything wrong. If that's the standard for using lethal force against someone society would fall apart it is ludicrous.  

Hey man someone's just walked out of his house and I think he's following me...it's pretty dark. Now he's saying something to me better attack him quick! If Zimmerman is lying then that is very different but going on what he's saying and STILL finding him culpable for the offence of getting out of his car? A little too rich for my tastes Igor.

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A groundskeeper at a zoo one day sees a lion that he thinks is acting strangely. Instead of waiting for the people in charge of the lions to get there, he decides to investigate it himself…telling himself that he is doing it so that he can better report on what the lion is doing (or at least that is what he later says). So he enters the cage and starts to follow the lion. The lion runs to get away, and the groundskeeper runs after the lion. Feeling threatened, the lion confronts the groundskeeper. Now the grounds keeper feels threatened and pulls a gun and shoots the lion.

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It's an analogy.

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Guess I took you off hide in time to prove you have no idea what I will respond too.
Please point out were I said it was evidence.
However it is closer to evidence than the absurd argument that Zimmerman should have given him a ride and that this would have solved everything.

You never had me on hide, since you have replied to previous posts.

Since you are unable to understand a clearly written post. The word "Evidence" refers to your inability to find any regards your claim about Martins girlfriends comments. You have taken half of what she said, and made up the rest to suit yourself. You have no proof what he was thinking, none, niet, nada.

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You may be misreading. When Politesub says that something doesn't exist, the universe obligingly blinks it out of existence.
It simply isn't there anymore, and can be safely ignored. Like dead Indians.

Note he said a credible response. In politesubese credible = agrees with him.

Nope dopey, credible means not made up bullshit. Good god, I dont call you stupid for nothing.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You may be misreading. When Politesub says that something doesn't exist, the universe obligingly blinks it out of existence.
It simply isn't there anymore, and can be safely ignored. Like dead Indians.

Note he said a credible response. In politesubese credible = agrees with him.

Nope dopey, credible means not made up bullshit. Good god, I dont call you stupid for nothing.

Nope it's because you wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face.

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That's a pretty good analogy; but in the instant case the paranoid whites of the right wing see Trayvon Martin as way more dangerous than a lion,

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... not to mention the country would have to be willing to accept his wife, who also doesnt have skills most countries would view as beneficial..

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you are surprised?

I was a bit, actually. Hadn't realized he was quite that far gone.

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Fucvk you, you passive-aggressive bitch-boi