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Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:14:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Who the fuck cares about Rachel Jeantel? It's a waste of time, and irrelevant. If George Zimmerman wasn't motivated by his own internalized racism, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST ROLL DOWN HIS WINDOW AND OFFER HIS NEIGHBOR A RIDE HOME OUT OF THE RAIN? That's it, people. The beginning and the end of the discussion. Wouldn't YOU offer YOUR NEIGHBOR a ride home out of the rain? my neighbor is a fucking asshole and I would instead do a HAIL DANCE to invoke softball sized hail.

Kana -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:15:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Who the fuck cares about Rachel Jeantel? It's a waste of time, and irrelevant. If George Zimmerman wasn't motivated by his own internalized racism, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST ROLL DOWN HIS WINDOW AND OFFER HIS NEIGHBOR A RIDE HOME OUT OF THE RAIN? That's it, people. The beginning and the end of the discussion. Wouldn't YOU offer YOUR NEIGHBOR a ride home out of the rain? Sure, cuz you always offer six foot tall teenagers who you have suspicions of, don't know,and who aren't looking for a ride or standing next to a wrecked car, at night. I dunno about you but last time I picked up a stranger in those circumstances was the 80's. In fact,I through the question out about five pages ago...at you (noticed it was never answered BTW) and so far I ain't seeing a whole rush of folks saying, "Oh yeah,do that all the time...." And again, M wasn't his neighbor.M was a temporary visitor. Z had zero reason to know him.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:15:58 AM)
Yeah, well as a Jew, we're motivated by Chesed, and that's sort of hebrew for "Don't be a dick". On a meta-level, it integrates what others might call Karma right into the core beliefs.

JeffBC -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:16:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice I'm far from a Zimmerman fan, but the state (used broadly, not just to mean Florida) had its chance and couldn't persuade a jury to convict. The effort to invent a new set of charges, particularly if driven by political concerns, raises, at least for me, the question of when prosecution crosses the line into persecution. I agree with this. More to the point, if we abandon the rule of law in order to "get" Zimmerman then we are no better than him and so wasted our time "getting him" anyway. If we (collectively) do not like the outcome of these laws then we can argue to change them. But Zimmerman is not guilty. That is the foundation of our legal system and I won't abandon it because then there is truly nothing left.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:18:55 AM)
Isn't it abandoning the "rule of law" to 'game' the Jury Instructions to disallow the charge Zimmerman was actually guilty of, culpable negligence leading to manslaughter? The Jury Instructions specified manslaughter by act, which they couldn't meet. I call this the "Amadou Diallo Move". Everything looks honest, but there's no way the jury can return a guilty verdict. Sure you end up with Jurors complaining about it occasionally, but no one really listens. Face it, no-one gives a shit about another dead N*gger, so the State of Florida -- when dragged into court -- put on a good show, and got the result everyone expected. Thing is, in New York, you got to be a cop to get this kind of softball prosecution. Florida. America's Wang.

Kana -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:23:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Yeah, well as a Jew, we're motivated by Chesed, and that's sort of hebrew for "Don't be a dick". On a meta-level, it integrates what others might call Karma right into the core beliefs. Awwwww, c'mon Fargle-stop weaseling-when was the last time you offered a stranger a ride in said circumstances? And I'm not really asking to be a dick. I'm genuinely interested.I doubt that many peeps on this forum, or anywhere in this country would. I'd love to be proven wrong though. Might restore a wee smidgen of my faith in humanity

Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:26:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Now you want to convict him because after clearing him they are going to beat the woods for another excuse to prosecute him. The man is an arsehole, Bama. It was always bound to happen. The FBI investigated this over a year ago and found there was no grounds. Don't you think this looks like persecution not prosecution. Were you referring to Zimmerman or jt444? this is fucking america! Its what freedom is all about! Think that is bad? Here is a guy they sued 4 times, the 4th drawing the attention of congress. Even wiki paints him as a kook by using narrow avenues that are irrelevant and does not mention completely failing to mention that the FDA stole his patents and put them in their name! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burzynski_Clinic This is fucking america land of who you blow, not what you know. Try suing the government if you want a good dose of what that is like. So zimmy is being treated about right all things considered. if you cant hang them at least stab them a couple times on the way out.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:30:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana Awwwww, c'mon Fargle-stop weaseling-when was the last time you offered a stranger a ride in said circumstances? Nearest I can think is me springing the 4 bucks for a bus day-pass for a kid who was sharing the a bus-shelter with me one evening after work downtown. Not a lot of hitchhiking IN THE CITY OF ALBANY actually, and being in the city, there's nothing special about people walking around. But occasionally you get to help someone out.

JeffBC -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:34:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Isn't it abandoning the "rule of law" to 'game' the Jury Instructions to disallow the charge Zimmerman was actually guilty of, culpable negligence leading to manslaughter? Maybe, maybe not. I just haven't ever bought into the common American idea that something is OK just because someone else did it. I have an internal moral compass that informs my choices independent of what "they" did. The ship has sailed on Zimmerman and any other mental stance is as vigilantism. Do I want to change these laws? Oh hell yeah. Gunning someone down because you think they might be a threat is not OK. Do I also want to change the uneven application of all laws? Again, oh hell yeah. But Zimmerman is an innocent man. Insofar as people not caring about black people, that's an american trait not a southern one.

Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:38:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Isn't it abandoning the "rule of law" to 'game' the Jury Instructions to disallow the charge Zimmerman was actually guilty of, culpable negligence leading to manslaughter? The Jury Instructions specified manslaughter by act, which they couldn't meet. I call this the "Amadou Diallo Move". Everything looks honest, but there's no way the jury can return a guilty verdict. Sure you end up with Jurors complaining about it occasionally, but no one really listens. Face it, no-one gives a shit about another dead N*gger, so the State of Florida -- when dragged into court -- put on a good show, and got the result everyone expected. Thing is, in New York, you got to be a cop to get this kind of softball prosecution. Florida. America's Wang. the first time you blew your gaskets on this topic I listened to the available evidence and said never gonna fly, they wont even take it to court. well I was right about never gonna fly but failed to factor in the hollywood effect and they took a loser to court anyway. may as well face the fact that you picked a loser this time. cant win em all.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:42:29 AM)
Well, by 'picked a loser', you mean 'hoped for justice for a dead black kid', then yeah... I'm fucked up in the head that way. Again, I didn't think "george zimmerman" had the juice of NYPD officers and end up getting the jury Diallo-ed for him, but hey, Florida, what should I have expected. You can't tell me that culpable negligence isn't a slam dunk. That's why it was left off the jury instructions.

Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:43:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC Gunning someone down because you think they might be a threat is not OK. I kept complaining premptive attack regarding afghanastan and iraq too, but no one listens. Moral compasses are obsolete and have been abolished.

farglebargle -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:45:44 AM)
In my book, "equal protection of the law" and "due process" doesn't mean that the Prosecution and Defense can work together to construct jury instructions specifically limited to return only not-guilty verdicts. Again, in this case the jury instructions here provided for Murder 2, and Manslaughter BY ACT, specifically omitting the slam-dunk Manslaughter by negligence included lesser offense. That's not an accident. And if I'm surprised, it's that a no-body could get the State to do that for him.

Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 7:46:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Well, by 'picked a loser', you mean 'hoped for justice for a dead black kid', then yeah... I'm fucked up in the head that way. Again, I didn't think "george zimmerman" had the juice of NYPD officers and end up getting the jury Diallo-ed for him, but hey, Florida, what should I have expected. You can't tell me that culpable negligence isn't a slam dunk. That's why it was left off the jury instructions. no, imo from the very beginning you picked the losing side, color notwithstanding. how would you prove culp neg btw? On what basis Its not the "catch all" snare that you seem to think it is for those who know how to handle themselves in court. So have you backed all that up by at least filing a complaint with the BAR? What was their response? otherwise if you want to show the world due process violation you need go no further than traffic tickets and typical muniicipal by-laws and ordinances if you want "slam dunk" due process and rule of law violations, all the cities, esp class 1 cities are guilty as sin. I do not see where there has been a due process violation in favor of zimmy? The state was the plaintiff and already had the advantage.

DarkSteven -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:20:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Well, by 'picked a loser', you mean 'hoped for justice for a dead black kid', then yeah... I'm fucked up in the head that way. Again, I didn't think "george zimmerman" had the juice of NYPD officers and end up getting the jury Diallo-ed for him, but hey, Florida, what should I have expected. You can't tell me that culpable negligence isn't a slam dunk. That's why it was left off the jury instructions. Nope. Justice means that someone is tried by a jury of his peers. he got that. Sorry, but Justice is not a euphemism for "fargle gets to determine who's guilty". And your argument that Zimmerman contributed by leaving his vehicle pisses me off. That's even worse than saying a woman is asking to get raped by wearing a short skirt, that Zimmerman was asking to get in a fight by leaving his vehicle.

Real0ne -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:24:44 AM)
you do not get a jury of peers in the US. peers are limited to us citizens in this country. you know, that government monopoly thing

DaddySatyr -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:45:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Well, by 'picked a loser', you mean 'hoped for justice for a dead black kid', then yeah... I'm fucked up in the head that way. Again, I didn't think "george zimmerman" had the juice of NYPD officers and end up getting the jury Diallo-ed for him, but hey, Florida, what should I have expected. You can't tell me that culpable negligence isn't a slam dunk. That's why it was left off the jury instructions. Nope. Justice means that someone is tried by a jury of his peers. he got that. Sorry, but Justice is not a euphemism for "fargle gets to determine who's guilty". And your argument that Zimmerman contributed by leaving his vehicle pisses me off. That's even worse than saying a woman is asking to get raped by wearing a short skirt, that Zimmerman was asking to get in a fight by leaving his vehicle. I find this to be all too common amongst folks on the left; if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem begins to look like a nail. I think I've nailed it, Michael

RacerJim -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:49:05 AM)
JUSTICE FOR ANTONIO You probably won't recognize me because the BLACK President of the United States of America and the RACIST mainstream-media don't care about WHITE victims of BLACK murderers. My name WAS Antonio West and I WAS a 13-month old WHITE baby who, on March 21 2013, was shot in my face at point blank range by two BLACK teenaged thugs who were attempting to rob my WHITE mother, who they also shot. A Grand Jury of my WHITE mommy's peers from Brunswick GA determined the BLACK teenaged thugs who murdered me in front of my mommy will not face the death penalty...too bad I was given a death sentence for being innocent and defenseless. My WHITE family made the mistake of living in a 73% non-white neighborhood, but MY murder WAS NOT ruled a RACIST HATE CRIME. Nor did our BLACK President take so much as a single moment to even acknowledge my murder, much less declare it a RACIST HATE CRIME by BLACK teenaged thugs. I am one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation's history, but the media doesn't care to cover the story of my tragic demise because our BLACK President has no children who could possibly look like me - so HE DOESN'T CARE and the MEDIA DOESN'T CARE because a WHITE baby murdered by BLACK teenagers runs counter to their race-baiting. There is not a white equivalent of Al Sharpton because if there was he would be declared racist, so there is no one rushing to Brunswick GA to demand justice for me. There is no White Panther party to put a bounty on the lives of those who murdered me. I have no voice, I have no representation and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat innocently in my stroller - I no longer have my life. So while you are seeking justice for Trayvon, please remember to seek justice for me too. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get tee shirts with my face on them and make the world pay attention, just like you did for Trayvon. Thank you.

tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 8:58:41 AM)
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/antoniowest.asp Georgia Capital Punishment Laws Minimum age - 17 http://statelaws.findlaw.com/georgia-law/georgia-capital-punishment-laws.html So, you found a law you didnt like either? Good for you. What bearing does this case have on the one currently being discussed here?

cordeliasub -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/21/2013 9:01:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Who the fuck cares about Rachel Jeantel? It's a waste of time, and irrelevant. If George Zimmerman wasn't motivated by his own internalized racism, WHY DIDN'T HE JUST ROLL DOWN HIS WINDOW AND OFFER HIS NEIGHBOR A RIDE HOME OUT OF THE RAIN? That's it, people. The beginning and the end of the discussion. Wouldn't YOU offer YOUR NEIGHBOR a ride home out of the rain? OMG, are you an idiot? Do you have kids? Trayvon did. not. live. there. He was staying there TEMPORARILY...do YOU know all of YOUR neighbor's temporary houseguests personally???? And do YOU regularly advise teenagers to get into a car with someone they don't KNOW???? How bout you find a brain cell and another drum to beat. Good god.

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