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tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:40:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its being reported in LA. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/25/local/la-me-0126-compton-20130126 Please, dont read that as me saying its happening all over. I dont know if it is or not. I think gang violence is happening in most of the big cities. Has been for quite a while and some of the gangs are formed based on race. What does that have to do with the suggestion that hispanics go around and target people based on their color? Now I know there are a lot of whites who do this (think racial profiling), but this is the first time I have seen hispanics accused of it. My guess is the ones who are claiming that zimmy only went after trayvon because he was "WWB" are still thinking of zimmy as a white man. First, you asked for stories about hispanic on black violence, which is what I gave. It would be naive to consider that violence doesnt spill over to the suburbs. Also, remember, T didnt live in that area, he was visiting his father. His mother lived in the Miami-Dade area. Gangs are big there. Who knows what T thought.... Z likes to be "informed" on police happenings. Dont discount that Sanford has their own gangs. Im not saying Z was in a gang, but you cannot simply discount the Hispanic violence on blacks with a wave of your hand either.

Edwynn -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:42:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: There is no certifiable evidence as to who struck whom first. No there isn't. But that won't stop you from claiming zimmy was the aggressor ... It's not a 'claim,' it's an established fact, as per the two phone conversations. Indisputable evidence, for those with normal hearing. quote: and labeling him along with anyone who defends him in any way a pussy. You can call it 'labeling' if you like. But it is nevertheless a fact, well established in Zimmerman's extensive record of ongoing incessant phone calls to the police, and repeated incidents with Zimmerman as the aggressor, in attacks on police, girlfriends, neighbors, etc. prior to this occasion. I cannot state with absolute certainty that anyone who defends this chickenshit pussy is themself such a thing, but it seems to be well established enough in history and in sociology that people look out for their own kind, and jump to the defense of those they feel most affinity towards, first. quote: So now I have to ask. Is it hispanics you hate? Or is it pussies? The latter. But to be more precise, it's chickenshit pussies that I have no use for, and any defender of such is, if anything, an even bigger chickenshit. I don't 'hate' anybody.

igor2003 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:47:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl ~FR If Trayvon had been a woman, would people feel differently? BINGO! If he had been ANYONE but a young black man. young white man? especially a well heeled young white man? young white woman? are you kidding me? a middle aged or elderly person of any race? I can imagine anyone feeling scared at being followed.... I dont think this was racially motivated in that I dont think Z went looking for a young black male to target. Know what I mean?* However, as a woman, I would be terrified knowing someone was following me. Self defense training and I can down a man by breaking his nose.... I might even be tempted to attack him as he laid there, I would be the one screaming for help Why is all that so implausible? I don't think Zimmerman was necessarily "racist", but his targeting Martin was racially motivated. At least some of the recent problems in the neighborhood had been caused by young, black males. Martin was a young, black male, thus making him (in Zimmerman's mind) a part of the group causing problems in the neighborhood. Zimmerman's utterance of, "These assholes, they always get away," clearly shows that he considered Martin as part of the group of "assholes". In Zimmerman's mind he already considered Martin guilty of...something...and he became Martin's judge, jury, and executioner.

Kirata -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:50:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 his targeting Martin was racially motivated. At least some of the recent problems in the neighborhood had been caused by young, black males. Replace "at least some" with "almost all." What you are describing is criminal profiling, not racial profiling. K.

tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:51:28 AM)
When I say racist, I think of someone climbing into their truck and actively looking for a specific race. I just dont think that was the case here.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:56:41 AM)
And another hood slips. You know that Zimmerman is an Hispanic of African ancestry and you know that the claims of his racist language and skinhead past are total fabrications fomented by racists to stir the pot. By carrying water for them in the form of your persistent lying about him, about the facts, and about the law, you prove yourself to be in lockstep with the source of the racebaiting... straight outta StormFront. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: SadistDave quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I have said repeatedly that Martin would also have a good self defense plea Not if he threw the first punch. It's not self defence if you throw the first punch, and Zimmermans allegation is that the little thug wannabe threw the first punch. There's no evidence to disprove that; in spite of what all the assclowns who believe following someone is "instigating" or a crime want to believe. BUT I agree that if the roles were reversed you would be absolutely correct. If Zimmerman threw the first punch and was beating the little wannabes head into the concrete and got himself killed.... then thuggy-dead-kid would indeed have a good self-defence case. -SD- In your view losing a fist fight is a reasonable reason to use deadly force but being pursued by an armed skinhead isn't? A to Zimmerman's "allegations" he knows self defense law and has lied about every verifiable detail of the event. Why should anyone believe him about the ones that are unverifiable?

tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 6:59:44 AM)
Ya know... just because someone points out something doesnt make them racist.. any more than it made Z racist to watch T. Give it a rest.

Edwynn -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:01:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 his targeting Martin was racially motivated. At least some of the recent problems in the neighborhood had been caused by young, black males. Replace "at least some" with "almost all." What you are describing is criminal profiling, not racial profiling. K. I agree with this, completely. I think that Zimmerman is verifiably 'not all there,' but the racial aspect was only coincidental, not an 'agenda' on its own. In fact, out of all the people that Zimmerman had either physically attacked directly or otherwise harassed in several prior incidents, I think that T Martin was perhaps his first black victim.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:02:59 AM)
But a brown skinned Hispanic man of African ancestry will always act according to your stereotypes? Or are you saying that white teen girls never get attacked? Have a nice day at the KKK rally. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Correct. Martin would be equally dead, since bullets don't care who pulls the trigger, and the media/politicians, etc. would have brought whatever spin made the biggest profit from that hay. Wrong... a young woman or an elderly man would have had the common sense to stay in the truck.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:10:27 AM)
So who was it? Those 'fucking illegals'? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Marini quote: I dont think this was racially motivated in that I dont think Z went looking for a young black male to target. Know what I mean? Thanks tazzy, I totally believe Trayvon was targeted. seriously he was guility of wwb, {walking while black} around the neighborhood. Have we heard stories of Zim chasing other people, in all his days of walking his beat? I didn't realize that hispanics had a history of going after people just because they were black. Who do you think was shipping slaves to us here in the states? It weren't the chinee.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:12:25 AM)
Martin is clearly heard speaking? Really? You're done. quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: DarqueMirror quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn There is no certifiable evidence as to who struck whom first. There is, however, indisputable evidence that the armed chickenshit pussy instigated the whole affair, No there isn't. And no matter how many times you claim it doesn't make it true. And following does not equal stalking, again no matter how many times you say it. Did Zimmerman, in his call to the 911 dispatcher, say "hello? Yeah, um, I'm being followed by this young black guy."? No, he stated plainly that he (Z man) was watching this guy who was 'up to no good,' and then we hear his (Zimmerman's) footsteps clearly as he initiates his stalking, updating his stalking progress to the dispatcher as he went, and hear T Martin explaining to his friend about being stalked by the shaved-head creep in a red sweatshirt. This is clearly heard in the 911 call, and in the cell phone call of Martin to his friend, no matter how many times you deny it. What did the 911 dispatcher mean when he said "We don't need you to do that"? That Zimmerman should quit being followed by the 'suspect'? Are you daft? Whether termed 'following' or 'stalking,' neither is socially acceptable behavior, and either or both are considered as threatening behavior in any normal society, no matter how many times you reiterate your denial of reality.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:15:54 AM)
Or perhaps they are following Don Black's dicta to stir up racial turmoil on the internet by pretending that Zimmerman (like the President) isn't a minority. quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its being reported in LA. http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/25/local/la-me-0126-compton-20130126 Please, dont read that as me saying its happening all over. I dont know if it is or not. I think gang violence is happening in most of the big cities. Has been for quite a while and some of the gangs are formed based on race. What does that have to do with the suggestion that hispanics go around and target people based on their color? Now I know there are a lot of whites who do this (think racial profiling), but this is the first time I have seen hispanics accused of it. My guess is the ones who are claiming that zimmy only went after trayvon because he was "WWB" are still thinking of zimmy as a white man.

tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:17:31 AM)
quote: But a brown skinned Hispanic man of African ancestry will always act according to your stereotypes? Or are you saying that white teen girls never get attacked? Have a nice day at the KKK rally. Again, assuming I am white... which you have been told repeatedly I am not. Why dont you get off the "call everyone who disagrees with me a racist" kick.. its getting really fucking old. No, the scenario you gave was if Zimmerman had been a young girl... or dont you fucking remember what you posted? quote: Carry that through to its conclusion... what if Zimmerman had been a blue eyed blonde haired teen girl? Or an elderly grey panther? Neither of those would have been stupid enough to go lurking about in the dark looking for someone..... Now.. if you want to try and pull another racist claim out of your ass for that one... and show us what a bigger moron you can be... be my guest.

Moonhead -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:18:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 And another hood slips. You know that Zimmerman is an Hispanic of African ancestry and you know that the claims of his racist language and skinhead past are total fabrications fomented by racists to stir the pot. The same racists who start throwing a histrionic shitfit whenever they hear of a hispanic politician or public figure referring to "la raza", you mean? We've had displays of that a few times on here, quite possibly from some of the people who are making excuses for Zimmerman.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:20:12 AM)
But when they consistently play the race baiting game, there is no innocent explanation other than Tourretes. When they consistently criticize those who decry racism, that excuse goes away, leaving the obvious. Racism 2.0 doesn't admit it is racist... as you are well aware. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ya know... just because someone points out something doesnt make them racist.. any more than it made Z racist to watch T. Give it a rest.

igor2003 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:20:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 his targeting Martin was racially motivated. At least some of the recent problems in the neighborhood had been caused by young, black males. Replace "at least some" with "almost all." What you are describing is criminal profiling, not racial profiling. K. "Almost all" of the incidents discussed in association with this case have, indeed, been committed by young, black males, at least in the cases where the age and color of the people involved is known. Have there been other incidents where the people involved were known, and if so, what percentage of them? I don't know. And since I don't know, I'm not willing to make the "almost all" assertion. But regardless of whether it was racial or criminal, it was still profiling of someone that, at least at that moment, didn't deserve it.

tazzygirl -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:21:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 But when they consistently play the race baiting game, there is no innocent explanation other than Tourretes. When they consistently criticize those who decry racism, that excuse goes away, leaving the obvious. Racism 2.0 doesn't admit it is racist... as you are well aware. quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Ya know... just because someone points out something doesnt make them racist.. any more than it made Z racist to watch T. Give it a rest. And when someone constantly calls other people racist?

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:24:33 AM)
When the blatanly racist lie is put forth that all La Raza people are violent racist traitors, I'll debunk that racist myth... that's all. You calling that a 'shit fit', and you calling people who oppose racism 'racists' says all that needs to be said about you. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 And another hood slips. You know that Zimmerman is an Hispanic of African ancestry and you know that the claims of his racist language and skinhead past are total fabrications fomented by racists to stir the pot. The same racists who start throwing a histrionic shitfit whenever they hear of a hispanic politician or public figure referring to "la raza", you mean? We've had displays of that a few times on here, quite possibly from some of the people who are making excuses for Zimmerman.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:26:38 AM)
And you continue to claim that you heard Martin's voice on the phone conversation. Why didn't you tell the prosecutor that you had a copy of his phone call? quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: There is no certifiable evidence as to who struck whom first. No there isn't. But that won't stop you from claiming zimmy was the aggressor ... It's not a 'claim,' it's an established fact, as per the two phone conversations. Indisputable evidence, for those with normal hearing. quote: and labeling him along with anyone who defends him in any way a pussy. You can call it 'labeling' if you like. But it is nevertheless a fact, well established in Zimmerman's extensive record of ongoing incessant phone calls to the police, and repeated incidents with Zimmerman as the aggressor, in attacks on police, girlfriends, neighbors, etc. prior to this occasion. I cannot state with absolute certainty that anyone who defends this chickenshit pussy is themself such a thing, but it seems to be well established enough in history and in sociology that people look out for their own kind, and jump to the defense of those they feel most affinity towards, first. quote: So now I have to ask. Is it hispanics you hate? Or is it pussies? The latter. But to be more precise, it's chickenshit pussies that I have no use for, and any defender of such is, if anything, an even bigger chickenshit. I don't 'hate' anybody.

Powergamz1 -> RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN (7/13/2013 7:28:59 AM)
Project much? quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: But a brown skinned Hispanic man of African ancestry will always act according to your stereotypes? Or are you saying that white teen girls never get attacked? Have a nice day at the KKK rally. Again, assuming I am white... which you have been told repeatedly I am not. Why dont you get off the "call everyone who disagrees with me a racist" kick.. its getting really fucking old. No, the scenario you gave was if Zimmerman had been a young girl... or dont you fucking remember what you posted? quote: Carry that through to its conclusion... what if Zimmerman had been a blue eyed blonde haired teen girl? Or an elderly grey panther? Neither of those would have been stupid enough to go lurking about in the dark looking for someone..... Now.. if you want to try and pull another racist claim out of your ass for that one... and show us what a bigger moron you can be... be my guest.

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