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Marissa Alexander, a black woman and a mother, has been sentence to 20 years in prison.

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison... she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order... she has never been in trouble with the law before.

In other news, Al Sharpton enjoyed his lunch.

K.

Not to nitpick, but the story is over a year old

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Marissa Alexander, a black woman and a mother, has been sentence to 20 years in prison.

(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison... she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order... she has never been in trouble with the law before.

In other news, Al Sharpton enjoyed his lunch.

K.

Not to nitpick, but the story is over a year old

...yet, sadly, accidental nitpicking occurs alarmingly often.

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Well in any case, here are the details, known and disputed, in the matter of Marissa Alexander:

http://www.letstalkaboutit.info/2012/05/different-views-on-marissa-alexanders_11.html

And if you would like to help, here is a link to the online petition seeking to have her pardoned:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/503/600/056/dont-imprison-marissa-alexander-for-standing-her-ground/

K.

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Last I knew Zimmerman was and always has been Hispanic, not white. Of course the race-baiters AND msm didn't let that little FACT stop them from making this about race, they simply created a new ethnicity to justify their racist mantra - White-Hispanic.

If you're really as interested in facts as you claim, you might find this thread interesting: "White Hispanic." The term predates Trayon Martin's death. I provided links to other, earlier usages and well as to a NYT piece about its use of the term. Hillwilliam noted that he'd heard the phrase used in Miami back in the seventies.

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I am nitpicking....these two cases bare NO RESEMBLANCE in fact or theory. Two different criminal accusations, two very different results, two different defense arguments and two different outcomes. The weak minded and ill-prepared compare apples and oranges to advance emotional arguments. I don't believe either of you to be weak, so get back to TM and GZ please. Marissa Alexander has NOTHING to do with this.

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I agree with you that many children these days aren't innocent -- me and most of my friends during my childhood years (50's) weren't innocent little kids either. However, if Trayvon Martin was in fact among today's usual mix of kids -- nothing that made him any better or any worse -- then it's no wonder that so many kids, specifically so many black kids, get suspended from school, arrested, jailed/imprisoned. You, like most of Martin's defenders, assume a mighty lot by saying Zimmerman kept following Martin after Zimmerman told the 911 dispatcher he lost sight of Martin (confirmed by Martin's 'girlfriend' saying Martin told her he had lost Zimmerman), when COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that in order to continue following someone you have to be able to either keep them in sight or see which direction they were going when you lost sight of them, but I know, I know...your mind is too closed to think like that for even a minute.

Need I remind you of the FOUR MINUTES between the end of Zimmerman's call to 911 non-emergency (when he told 911 that Martin had run out of sight) and the end of Martin's 'girlfriend's call with Martin (when she heard a bump/thump just before Martin's phone disconnected) when neither Zimmerman or Martin knew where the other was? During that time Zimmerman says he continued walking EAST, past the "T", to the end of the walkway in order to locate a street sign so he could give the police (who he was told were already on their way) an address where to meet him at, whereupon not seeing a street sign he called the police and told them he was heading back (WEST) to his car and for them to meet him there. COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that you don't call the police and tell them where to meet you if you're following someone with the intent to murder them. ASSUMING Trayvon Martin was in fact afraid of the "creepy ass cracker" chasing him, COMMON SENSE LOGIC says that during that FOUR MINUTES that Zimmerman didn't know where he was he should have run straight home (his home was less than 400 feet South of the "T"), gone inside, locked the door, called 911 and waited for the police.

The first bolded part interested me. When I stated that most kids aren't innocent today, I did not say most black kids. Nor was I thinking that most black kids aren't innocent. I meant that to mean that most kids, meaning "most" kids. You know, the white ones, black ones, asian ones, hispanic ones. I meant most KIDS!! You're example made it a "blanket" racial statement by depicted only one race more than others that is getting arrested, suspended, thrown in jail. You didn't for a moment consider that some areas are more predominately one race or color over the other. So, I do not buy that "one size fits all" "particular black kids" are suspended, get arrested, go to jail".

My mind is focused on the fact that as Zimmerman attempted to keep an eye on Martin while the police came. And he did in fact follow him, and he did run back to his truck to bring it closer to the infamous T. Zimmerman also ran around like an idiot to identify street signs (oh, and this complex that he is a watchman for only has 3 streets in it...and he can't remember what one of the three streets he is on???....Again, very interesting, so yes, you're right...I can't picture it...or wrap my mind around that kind of logic.

As for the four minutes you speak of, I have no idea where in the timeline that 4 minutes fits in. Is it when Trayvon hid behind the bushes? Is is Trayvon constantly talking on the phone to that creole girl?, not sure where he or Zimmerman were? I'm not sure, other than from the testimony of the girl, I could assume Trayvon was freaked out by Zimmerman and for all we know, him being street-wise, was weighing his options to get out of the situation. So yes, Trayvon was ready to defend himself by fist fighting. Not by crying like a baby and fumbling to get your gun out and shoot the...kid.

And by the way, Trayvon called Zimmerman a cracker, but Zimmerman called him a 'fucking punk' and went on to say 'they always get away'. I'd say Zimmerman started out with a chip on his shoulder and a need to fulfill, while Trayvon wound up forced to deal with that kind of attitude.

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The Florida statute on manslaughter:
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Once Self-defense is established as justification for absolution on the 2nd degree murder charge, it is no longer possible to legally find someone guilty of Manslaughter. There are no varying degrees of self-defense. Once it is established that there is "lawful justification' THERE IS NO MANSLAUGHTER.
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In the case of Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman, I don't believe either are wicked. TM certainly had some character issues and was making a lot of bad life decisions in general, but not yet wicked. George Zimmerman was a little too zealous in his desire to "help" his community, but also NOT wicked.

The truth is,TM was stoned and acting strangely. GZ was out actively searching for people acting strangely, not with the intent to kill them, but too get them arrested and removed from the neighborhood. TM had his girlfriend on the phone and wanted to impress her with how tough he was, GZ had the police on the phone wanting to impress them with how fed up he was with the state of lawlessness in his neighborhood.

TM decided to confront the guy following him instead of calling the police, running home, demanding from a distance what he wanted, etc. GZ decided it wasn't enough to wait for a police car that was never going to come in time and follow TM to find out where he went. TM decided to sucker punch GZ and kick his ass. TMs assault plans were stymied by GZs lawful possession of a firearm for self-defense. Oops.

Delivering justice is determining who acted lawfully and who did not and treating each accordingly. A compromise verdict of a lesser charge that the defendant is STILL NOT GUILTY OF IS NOT JUSTICE. It is punishing the innocent to make the family of the guilty feel better about their loss. Even worse is to do so for political purposes or to give the crowd what they want. As Americans we do not believe in mob justice. We stand against it. It is sad that this young man made poor decisions because he was raised in a society that is no longer civil and no longer has consequences for bad behavior, instead criminal behavior is required for any muted consequences to be meted.

My father once told me that there is a difference between the way men fight and the way boys fight. He told me a boy will challenge you to a fight and try to black your eye before the teachers come to your rescue. A man knows that nobody is coming to help, he knows that losing is not an option because he doesn't know the capabilities, intent or depth of rage in his opponent. A man does what he must to return to his family. On that night....a boy picked a fight with a man. In his case the test came before the lesson. In my case, my father saw to it that the lesson came first. Thank you Dad. This could have easily been me....I have been both TM and GZ and different stages in my life.

It is sad, it is a tragedy, but it is not criminal. It is taught in law school that one's RIGHT to flail his arms about ceases at the precise point and time as such flailing causes his fist to come in contact with the tip of another's nose. GZ had the RIGHT to do everything he did. He had the right to report suspicious behavior to the police. He had the right to carry a concealed firearm. He had the right to follow someone he did not recognize in his neighborhood. He had the right to defend himself, even with deadly force, when TM decided to fight instead of talk. This event meets Manslaughter statutory conditions even less than 2nd degree murder, and it utterly fails to meet even the minimum burden necessary to have even been charged with 2nd degree Murder. You, Sir, are wrong. This man does not "deserve" to go to prison to assuage our collective guilt for allowing this young man to be raised as a thug. Nor does he deserve to be elevated for his actions. There is a responsibility to avoid conflict at all cost when carrying a concealed weapon, but there is no legal obligation.

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Last I knew Zimmerman was and always has been Hispanic, not white. Of course the race-baiters AND msm didn't let that little FACT stop them from making this about race, they simply created a new ethnicity to justify their racist mantra - White-Hispanic.

If you're really as interested in facts as you claim, you might find this thread interesting: "White Hispanic." The term predates Trayon Martin's death. I provided links to other, earlier usages and well as to a NYT piece about its use of the term. Hillwilliam noted that he'd heard the phrase used in Miami back in the seventies.

Of course racistjim is not interested in facts.

In reality most Hispanics are white they just aren't anglo. Hispanic means the person is descended from someone from the Iberian Peninsula.