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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 12:32:06 PM   
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what utter bollocks again
you keep stating things that you are completely wrong about
talk about being irrelevant and a hypocritical race baiter.
you are the poster child

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 12:32:43 PM   
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As far as the "White Hispanic" piece, I have seen documents in which some hispanics check the "white" box.

Is this really news, that many hispanics {especially those that are fair} consider themselves white?

I have seen this box checked often, when one parent is white and the other parent is hispanic.

I have also seen the option to check {White/Hispanic Origin} on documents.

wiki -White Hispanics

Famous "White" Hispanics include: Rita Hayworth, Cameron Diaz, Christy Turlington, Andy Garcia, Ricky Martin the list goes on.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 12:41:18 PM   
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In reality most Hispanics are white they just aren't anglo. Hispanic means the person is descended from someone from the Iberian Peninsula.


Another straight outta StormFront false meme.

As previously given, it is an overarching term, not an exclusionary one:

Hispanic - adj: of or relating to the people, speech, or culture of Spain or of Spain and Portugal Merriam Webster unabridged

Alberto Fujimori is Asian, and Hispanic. Vicente Fox is of Germanic descent (Fuchs).. and Hispanic heritage. Martin Sheen is an English speaking American... and a Hispanic.





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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 12:59:45 PM   
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Last I knew Zimmerman was and always has been Hispanic, not white. Of course the race-baiters AND msm didn't let that little FACT stop them from making this about race, they simply created a new ethnicity to justify their racist mantra - White-Hispanic.

If you're really as interested in facts as you claim, you might find this thread interesting: "White Hispanic." The term predates Trayon Martin's death. I provided links to other, earlier usages and well as to a NYT piece about its use of the term. Hillwilliam noted that he'd heard the phrase used in Miami back in the seventies.

Of course racistjim is not interested in facts.

In reality most Hispanics are white they just aren't anglo. Hispanic means the person is descended from someone from the Iberian Peninsula.

Of course the FACT is that even the liberal race-baiting media were unaware of previous use of the term.

Liar.

The term is quite common. Just pick up most any form that asks you to identify your racial/ethnic heritage. You will see a very telling pair of choices, Hispanic and non Hispanic Caucasian is one common formulation.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:07:51 PM   
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Wow, the riots are horrible so far!

Wow, the media and race-baiter uproar about the number of people recently shot and wounded/killed in Chicago, including children, has been deafening thus far!

Chicago Weekend Shootings: Four Dead Among The 26 Shot Around The City In Weekend Gun Violence

Weekend violence leaves 9 dead, 47 shot

4 Dead, 31 Wounded In Shootings This Weekend

49 Shot In Chicago During Weekend Of Violence, Two Children Injuried

What's that you say? It's all been blacks shooting and wounding/killing blacks, so move along there's nothing to see here ? Oh, I see. Okay.


You will notice I never mentioned black on black violence. I mentioned the irresponsible stupidity of gun owners.




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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:15:26 PM   
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Here is a telling example of just how bad Florida's justice system is.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=283139

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:15:51 PM   
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Wow, the riots are horrible so far!

Wow, the media and race-baiter uproar about the number of people recently shot and wounded/killed in Chicago, including children, has been deafening thus far!

Chicago Weekend Shootings: Four Dead Among The 26 Shot Around The City In Weekend Gun Violence

Weekend violence leaves 9 dead, 47 shot

4 Dead, 31 Wounded In Shootings This Weekend

49 Shot In Chicago During Weekend Of Violence, Two Children Injuried

What's that you say? It's all been blacks shooting and wounding/killing blacks, so move along there's nothing to see here ? Oh, I see. Okay.


You will notice I never mentioned black on black violence. I mentioned the irresponsible stupidity of gun owners.





Of SOME gun owners. Most don't allow their expensive instruments to be subject to theft or operation by unauthorized/incompetent persons. My personal security system for my weapons equals their value. But to a determined thief, the best system can be overcome. And from the linked articles, many of those "irresponsible, stupid gun owners" just happened to be police officers.
Please don't lump me in with them, tazzy.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:21:08 PM   
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Of SOME gun owners. Most don't allow their expensive instruments to be subject to theft or operation by unauthorized/incompetent persons. My personal security system for my weapons equals their value. But to a determined thief, the best system can be overcome. And from the linked articles, many of those "irresponsible, stupid gun owners" just happened to be police officers.
Please don't lump me in with them, tazzy.


Many were police officers... the two driving down the highway shooting at each other (I think Hill posted that, I could be wrong) were not police. I could drag up scores of links about the irresponsibility of SOME gun owners. In that, you are correct, it is only some, not all, nor did I ever say all, but I can see how some might see all as being implied.

I have been through what I believe to be the smartest way to deter the irresponsibility. Own whatever you want... doesnt matter... tommy's, oozies, grenade launchers, tanks, any ole thing your heart desires.... be sure you can secure it, cus, if you cant, you are screwed.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:41:31 PM   
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This thing is done. All that is apparently required are the losers to save face by ranting about some Civil Rights case apparently to happen in the near future so they can sit there and pretend this is not over yet. It is not over yet, frankly. It was a hard lesson for some of the black community. The lessons are these:

1) This is not 1965 and there is no Civil Rights movement needed or actually existing today.

2) This is not 1863 and I don't live in the past and don't give a damn if you do.

3) I as a white don't feel guilty no matter how many signs you hold up nor how many cast off white women you have holding up signs with you or how many of you get on TV and rant about past slavery or how many black men are profiled because I know black men are profiled because they earned that treatment.

4) I know many of you blacks are playing the race card to get what you don't deserve and in case you noticed it does not work well anymore, take the Zimmerman case for example.

5) I know that blacks and whites have been played by Rev. Love Child Jackson (reported to have a child out of wedlock) and the most Rev. Al Sharpton (5 million net worth) for their own power games but you need to know I, and I am sure many whites, understand what they are and don't give a damn if they march for whatever they convinced you must be done in the name of Civil Rights, (see number 1 above).

6) I know and understand that Zimmerman stood his ground and while it is not good that a 17 year old man carry nude pictures of underage girls in his wallet and having an unfortunate history of getting into fights was killed, he was killed because he met someone who stood his ground and lawfully carried a weapon as many of us do since we are Americans and have the right to defend ourselves, the real right, not some right left wing ranting MSNBC followers make up.

7) After seeing people on TV and in social media act the way they did I realize while all men were born equal after that point something happens and I don't have to make allowances for their failings nor do I accept the blame for what they do.

8) NO matter how many fake para-military Black Panther uniformed men are shown on TV, they are out numbered and out gunned and they know it. Don't count on riots anywhere but the land of the Left, raining on California. Ironic that, eh?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:45:51 PM   
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The judge followed balancing guidelines on whether those select excerpts might be too inflammatory, versus offering nothing useful.

Martin didn't have a gun that night, so texts about wanting a gun would provide nothing in the way of valid evidence.
Martin didn't steal anything in the subdivision that night, so rumors about earlier thefts hundreds of miles away, proved nothing relevant to Zimmerman.
Whatever evidence of Martin punching people may have existed, was redundant in the face of evidence from that night *already* supporting the conclusion that he punched Zimmerman.
The other stuff about being kicked out of school, etc. Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that, so it couldn't have influenced his fear for his life claim.

We don't really 'know' anything about Martin's character... for all we know, had things ended differently, he could have gone on to become a model citizen, or a gang leader, or anything in between.





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Some of you may recall that President Obama, who identifies as a black man, felt particularly close to this case because if he had a son, that son would have been a useless piece of shit like Trayvon Martin.

This sentence actually tells us much more about your character than about Trayvon Martin's.

Your comment actually tells us you can't handle the truth about Trayvon Martin's character, which the Judge felt would be so detrimental to the prosecution's case that she precluded the jury from learning about it during the trial.



The Judge allowed the prosecution to enter into evidence specific parts of Zimmerman's background as evidence of his "cop wannabe" state of mind that night, but didn't allow the defense to enter into evidence specific parts of Martin's background as evident of his "gansta wannabe" state of mind that night. I fail to see any balance in that. Useful would have been the same from each side or nothing at all.

That Martin did not have a gun that night does not nullify the fact that he wanted one, therefore pertaining to his state of mind that night.
That Martin did not steal anything in the subdivision that night does not nullify the fact that he had stolen before AND matched the description of those (black teenagers/young adults) who had recently been arrested for stealing in the subdivision, therefore would have been relevant to Zimmerman's state of mind that night.
The prosecution attempted to convince the jury that Zimmerman threw the first punch, therefore Martin's history of punching people would not have been redundant.
The other stuff about his being kicked out of school, his gangsta and racist tweets and photos, etc., etc. Zimmerman indeed had no way of knowing any of that, but since the prosecution attempted to portray Martin as a sweet and innocent little 17yo boy hunted down and murdered by a racist cop wannabe adult it certainly could have bolstered the defense's portrayal of Martin as a "gangsta wannabe" racist thug.

We know enough about Martin's character to know he wasn't the gentle, innocent, kind, sweet little boy that the media and prosecution portrayed and pictured him to be...for all we know, had things ended differently, Martin could have been arrested, tried, convicted and imprisoned for 1st Degree Murder.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:52:56 PM   
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Of SOME gun owners. Most don't allow their expensive instruments to be subject to theft or operation by unauthorized/incompetent persons. My personal security system for my weapons equals their value. But to a determined thief, the best system can be overcome. And from the linked articles, many of those "irresponsible, stupid gun owners" just happened to be police officers.
Please don't lump me in with them, tazzy.


Many were police officers... the two driving down the highway shooting at each other (I think Hill posted that, I could be wrong) were not police. I could drag up scores of links about the irresponsibility of SOME gun owners. In that, you are correct, it is only some, not all, nor did I ever say all, but I can see how some might see all as being implied.

I have been through what I believe to be the smartest way to deter the irresponsibility. Own whatever you want... doesnt matter... tommy's, oozies, grenade launchers, tanks, any ole thing your heart desires.... be sure you can secure it, cus, if you cant, you are screwed.




I'll reiterate: a determined thief can defeat the best system if given the proper time and motivation. Those two bozos swapping lead in traffic I can't and won't attempt to defend, but I see them as the exception rather than the rule. What happens to the conscientious firearm owner who does all the right things but gets burglarized anyway? Punish them again if and when their stolen property is used in a crime? Technically, if one of those guns is merely in the possession of a restricted person, by your reasoning, that owner would be responsible.

And what happens when it's the police and military who gets their weapons stolen? From our heroes in the ATF:Guns, Gear Stolen From The ATF. These guys are responsible to ensure "firearm safety" on the Federal level. Local cops seem easy too; here's an example from Bloomberg's Finest.

Do I have a solution? No, I have some thoughts on it, but they'd involve much more than gun control. And the guys who own Thompsons and Uzis have systems as good or better than most police agencies. But you are right in some respects-there are fools who don't follow common-sense rules regarding these devices. They should be punished, but that's the problem. You have to define a metric of responsibility, and not too many lawmakers will take that into account. Are you going to hold the guy with the two-ton safe in his basement to the same level as the slack-jaw who props a loaded gun up in the corner? Do you hold civilians to the same standard as police and military? Where do you draw the line?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:54:15 PM   
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The judge followed balancing guidelines on whether those select excerpts might be too inflammatory, versus offering nothing useful.

Martin didn't have a gun that night, so texts about wanting a gun would provide nothing in the way of valid evidence.
Martin didn't steal anything in the subdivision that night, so rumors about earlier thefts hundreds of miles away, proved nothing relevant to Zimmerman.
Whatever evidence of Martin punching people may have existed, was redundant in the face of evidence from that night *already* supporting the conclusion that he punched Zimmerman.
The other stuff about being kicked out of school, etc. Zimmerman had no way of knowing any of that, so it couldn't have influenced his fear for his life claim.

We don't really 'know' anything about Martin's character... for all we know, had things ended differently, he could have gone on to become a model citizen, or a gang leader, or anything in between.





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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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Some of you may recall that President Obama, who identifies as a black man, felt particularly close to this case because if he had a son, that son would have been a useless piece of shit like Trayvon Martin.

This sentence actually tells us much more about your character than about Trayvon Martin's.

Your comment actually tells us you can't handle the truth about Trayvon Martin's character, which the Judge felt would be so detrimental to the prosecution's case that she precluded the jury from learning about it during the trial.



The Judge allowed the prosecution to enter into evidence specific parts of Zimmerman's background as evidence of his "cop wannabe" state of mind that night, but didn't allow the defense to enter into evidence specific parts of Martin's background as evident of his "gansta wannabe" state of mind that night. I fail to see any balance in that. Useful would have been the same from each side or nothing at all.

That Martin did not have a gun that night does not nullify the fact that he wanted one, therefore pertaining to his state of mind that night.
That Martin did not steal anything in the subdivision that night does not nullify the fact that he had stolen before AND matched the description of those (black teenagers/young adults) who had recently been arrested for stealing in the subdivision, therefore would have been relevant to Zimmerman's state of mind that night.
The prosecution attempted to convince the jury that Zimmerman threw the first punch, therefore Martin's history of punching people would not have been redundant.
The other stuff about his being kicked out of school, his gangsta and racist tweets and photos, etc., etc. Zimmerman indeed had no way of knowing any of that, but since the prosecution attempted to portray Martin as a sweet and innocent little 17yo boy hunted down and murdered by a racist cop wannabe adult it certainly could have bolstered the defense's portrayal of Martin as a "gangsta wannabe" racist thug.

We know enough about Martin's character to know he wasn't the gentle, innocent, kind, sweet little boy that the media and prosecution portrayed and pictured him to be...for all we know, had things ended differently, Martin could have been arrested, tried, convicted and imprisoned for 1st Degree Murder.


Exactly. He believed he could simply jump out of the bushes and assault an older white man not realizing in the real world he can get hurt doing that. So, little boys, black or white, go home and don't play gang banger with the neighborhood watch or any adult because that Walmart ammunition went somewhere and it's not in your pocket with the skittles and the nude underage girl photos.


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 1:57:58 PM   
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I have no problem with cop wannabees. It's the gang bangers and gang banger wannabees I have a problem with.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:05:59 PM   
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Ya know, if you want to know my full position on that, you will have to find the previous posts. Frankly, I am sick of talking about it. You seeing irresponsibility as the exception and not the norm is a bit disturbing considering everyday a child is gaining access to a gun and killing themselves.

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Are you going to hold the guy with the two-ton safe in his basement to the same level as the slack-jaw who props a loaded gun up in the corner?


Nope.

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Do you hold civilians to the same standard as police and military?


Yep.. many are civilians who used to be in the military or the police force. Why exclude them?

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Where do you draw the line?


I drew it well, and cleanly. I really just cant be bothered to go into it again. Suffice it to say, gun owners have to be held responsible... easiest and most painful is through the wallet... a child gains access (by child, I dont mean the 17 year old) then the owner goes to jail. No excuse for a 3 year old getting his hands on a gun... EVER. Lock em up... meaning the guns.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:17:51 PM   
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Here is a telling example of just how bad Florida's justice system is.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=283139


Amazing huh

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:24:47 PM   
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thats why you need lottsa bucks in the bank for the best lawyer money can buy..

Well, that or national media outrage with celebrities flying in to whip up a protest. And, too, I guess Obama didn't think she looked like she could be related to him.

Or maybe there just wasn't a racial angle to exploit, eh?

K.


no, imo it doesnt matter what race you are if you have the money to hire the best lawyer you can.. a crummy lawyer means you have a greater chance of losing, big time (as many poor people find out).. I think if Zimmy had a run-of-the-mill overworked public defender he might just have ended up with jail time..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:36:27 PM   
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no, imo it doesnt matter what race you are if you have the money to hire the best lawyer you can.. a crummy lawyer means you have a greater chance of losing, big time (as many poor people find out).. I think if Zimmy had a run-of-the-mill overworked public defender he might just have ended up with jail time..

Maybe after all the state might have gotten away with out full disclosure as they tried to do.
On the other hand since the state had no case.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:41:24 PM   
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It is over and done with, the federal courts can go after him on civil rights violations.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:42:59 PM   
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I doubt thats going to happen.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/14/2013 2:47:08 PM   
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I think you are right they investigated it last year to see if they could and came up empty.
The only reason to claim there is something now would be politics.


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