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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:24:54 AM   
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Zimmerman juror B37 interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN:

First vote: 3 voted not guilty, one voted guilty of 2nd degree murder, two voted guilty of manslaughter.

Final vote: all depended on the SYG Law and how Zimmerman felt threatened in the final moments when he pulled the gun. Everything else before that moment was irrelevent.

And that is the travesty of the jury's decision.

Zimmerman's feelings do not matter. The question is supposed to be would a reasonable person have felt that he had no choice but to kill in that circumstance.

In the final analysis only two questions needed to be answered although the jury sorted all the testimony, the hard evidence, and the Law: 1. was George in reasonable fear for his life or of great bodily harm in the moment? 2. does the Law allow George to use deadly force?

The answer to both for the Jury was YES. It is only the Jury that decides the case. Everything else is blather. It was really a simple case in the final analysis.

Your statement, so obviously self contradictory, of what the question is supposed to be was answered Yes by the Jury.

Pathetic that the Prosecutors and the anti-Zimmers cannot accept the verdict of the jury when it goes against their own opinions. All we have on this Forum are opinions of little consequence. The jury had the only evidence and opinion that matters.

Suck it up. Move on. There is nothing more to see here.

No. The jury instructions failed to make it clear what the standard was. The juror that went on TV last night said that her standard was what did Zimmerman feel not whether that fear was reasonable.

It's pathetic that a states justice system and laws have gotten so perverted that they have literally upended one of the most basic tenets of American jurisprudence that is when the defense claim is that the defendant did the act he is accused of but there is a mitigating circumstance the burden is then on the defense to prove that claim. If Zimmerman's lawyers were faced with actually proving their claims in an affirmative defense I see no way they could have prevailed since there is not a single shred of evidence establishing who did what before the shot was fired.



SO if he pursued Martin he wasn't that afraid afterall, was he?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:27:12 AM   
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I'm sorry.I never learned that lil tidbit re A&B when I was getting my law degree,


That is obvious mr.lawyer.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:28:43 AM   
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It's pathetic that a states justice system and laws have gotten so perverted that they have literally upended one of the most basic tenets of American jurisprudence...

It would seem to me that the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:30:42 AM   
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It's pathetic that a states justice system and laws have gotten so perverted that they have literally upended one of the most basic tenets of American jurisprudence...

It would seem to me that the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

K.

Maybe you need to brush up on English. "one of the" does not equal "the"

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:36:18 AM   
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Reservations which are the closest thing the US has ever come to concentration camps still exist.


What about the interment camps during World War II?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:40:25 AM   
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And the case was winnable. Purely on the trace amounts of blood on OJ, he was either there, or in intimate contact with someone who was.


Perhaps you missed the part of the o.j. trial where it ws shown that those "trace" ammounts of blood had been faked.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:40:58 AM   
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Okay, I'm going to come to Fargle's defense here. 

"here I am dying of not surprised"
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I got moderated once for calling Fargle a nutcase. A gross injustice as far as I'm concerned. None-the-less, Fargle has a long documented history of anti-racism on these boards. Therefore, despite his frequent forays into outrageous hyperbole, I count myself proud to be considered birds of a feather with him on this aspect.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:42:37 AM   
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It's pathetic that a states justice system and laws have gotten so perverted that they have literally upended one of the most basic tenets of American jurisprudence...

It would seem to me that the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe you need to brush up on English. "one of the" does not equal "the"

Maybe you need to brush up on your English comprehension. I said exactly what I meant, and I meant it exactly the way I said it. So now that I've given you a clue, see if you can puzzle out what it means.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:43:09 AM   
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Interesting how I was taught the same thing that Kana is saying... and how the textbooks I use to teach my students all say the same thing.


Perhps you might share a cite to validate your ignorant opinion mr.law teacher man.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:44:17 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:45:34 AM   
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But we don't know he did.Hence, the reasonable doubt.
Other than a lot of inflammatory rhetoric, (Attempted kidnapping? Really


Kidnapping seems to be another legal term you are not familir with mr. lawyer man.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:46:41 AM   
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You seem to have conflated your video game expertise, with real firearms. You know, like the ones the military and police use.


The marines are not all that pleased with that little girls gun and have started askng for their .45 back.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:49:51 AM   
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Okay, I'm going to come to Fargle's defense here. 

"here I am dying of not surprised"
birds of a feather 


I got moderated once for calling Fargle a nutcase. I gross injustice as far as I'm concerned. None-the-less, Fargle has a long documented history of anti-racism on these boards. Therefore, despite his frequent forays into outrageous hyperbole, I count myself proud to be considered birds of a feather with him on this aspect.



You see post history as you want... I see it differently....

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:51:09 AM   
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So your pride is hardly a ringing endorsement.


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Okay, I'm going to come to Fargle's defense here. 

"here I am dying of not surprised"
birds of a feather 


I got moderated once for calling Fargle a nutcase. I gross injustice as far as I'm concerned. None-the-less, Fargle has a long documented history of anti-racism on these boards. Therefore, despite his frequent forays into outrageous hyperbole, I count myself proud to be considered birds of a feather with him on this aspect.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:52:38 AM   
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The verdict in this case, I believe, will eventually equate to a cosmic isostasy. Having been embolded by his accquital mr. z will continue with his life feeling vindicated in his actions. He will do the same thing again. If the punkass motherfucker does not get killed in the next episode he will be convicted.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:56:05 AM   
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Which does nothing to support Dom Ken's ludicrous claim that a 9mm bounces off of people or animals.


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You seem to have conflated your video game expertise, with real firearms. You know, like the ones the military and police use.


The marines are not all that pleased with that little girls gun and have started askng for their .45 back.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:57:07 AM   
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I'm sorry.I never learned that lil tidbit re A&B when I was getting my law degree,


That is obvious mr.lawyer.

Ooooh man, it took 12 hours to come up with that comeback. Wow.I see why you invested all that time. Well expended , sir,well expended.

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Zimmerman's 911 call. "These assholes always get away," as Zimmerman breathes heavily, and the quite audible footsteps along with the commensurate respiration are indisputable evidence of pursuit on Zimmerman's part.


If it's so indisputable, why, despite (Again) the prosecution withholding evidence, performing such a sleazy job that famed liberal lawyer Alan Dershowitz is calling for their disbarment, massive pressure from state and local politicians, an investigation from the FBI, hard pressure from the freaking white house,time and scope limitations, and a hostile judge,in other words a deck stacked against Z, did a jury of 6 Americans find him innocent?

You people. You just don't get it. You throw around words without context. Indisputable my ass. If it was so freaking indisputable, why are you discussing it?

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LOL If you want to know if a guy is worth dating or not, just ask his opinion on the Zimmy case or his views on guns, or various other "telling" topics.. you can learn more than you care to from just asking a few questions & seeing what kinda reaction ya get.. give them the opportunity to tell you and let em run off at the mouth (while digging themselves into a pit).. I find it extremely "jaw dropping" the majority of the time.. I cant help but ask them if they are serious.. when they say they are, well,.. then thats the end of that..


Ahhh, I get it.So the fact that I believe in innocent before proven guilty, reasonable doubt, that the state using it's massive powers to come down on one man is incredibly dangerous, downright unethical and illegal as hell,the corrupt prosecution, the withheld evidence,the vast scope of media lies, the deliberate twisting of a minor tragedy into a national escapade, the pols/media/others twisting this case to meet their own agendas/goals/beliefs, the editing of tapes to make someone appear to be a racist on national TV and slander them, all these things, they make me a bad boyfriend and dom.

Right.

I would argue that not rushing to judgement, having the humility to say I dunno and I never will,nor will anyone else, not liking bullying by the government, a desire to see laws actually followed, our judicial system upheld and not violated by governments that kowtow to media manufactured public rage, and have the ethics and morality to say,Hey,somethings wrong here-yeah,I'd see these as good things.
Whereas people who adhere violently to predisposed beliefs in light of facts, evidence and a verdict, rant and rave and foam at the mouth,deliberately repeat lies, and attack with hostile venom anyone and everyone who might minorly disagree with them yeah,those folk, they are automatically worth dating.


That's such a load of crap.

How come you defenders are OK with the corruption of the process by politicos nursing agendas,the state withholding evidence from the defense,the repeat investigations by multiple federal agencies?
How come that doesn't terrify you?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:58:23 AM   
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You've also consistently argued in support of the racism inherent in the internet/media attempts to lynch an Hispanic man


According to those who feel that there are more than one race on this planet, hispanics are caucasians. Didn't the law school you went to have a library?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 6:58:43 AM   
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But we don't know he did.Hence, the reasonable doubt.
Other than a lot of inflammatory rhetoric, (Attempted kidnapping? Really


Kidnapping seems to be another legal term you are not familir with mr. lawyer man.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 7:04:52 AM   
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You've also consistently argued in support of the racism inherent in the internet/media attempts to lynch an Hispanic man


According to those who feel that there are more than one race on this planet, hispanics are caucasians. Didn't the law school you went to have a library?

Dude,writing in bold doesn't help your points. Hispanic is recognized as a legal minority by the US Govt. Done deal.


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