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If you are thinking about yourself you have no business being on the jury.

Then you have a very low view of people.

Then there would be no juries.

Thank you. Some people think its all about what they perceive and nothing else.

Bama, of course we all think about ourselves. These people do have a life beyond the court room.

The bolded part is what YOU added... but your post attributes it to Ron.

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Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

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Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

yes, just 3 weeks as a 17 year old.. this reminds me that I was that age when I started living on my own, that is a difficult age.. the kid was almost half Zimmy's age..

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Was there a point in your posting 120? Or were you just quoting me for truth [:D]

No, look at it again, he is slipping in shit I never said. You remember the old FYP from the days of old you know who daddy.

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I now understand that you believe that would be a very low opinion of people for someone to say... what we are not clear.

But that people live in their own self interest? I do not hold that as a low opinion of people and it looks like I said that.

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accepted and lets move on, there was a cult here that liked to slip shit in that was not the intent, for quite a while, nasty bastards and some of us are sensitive to that. We have our own words. Now, mistakes I understand, and think no more of it.

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accepted and lets move on, there was a cult here that liked to slip shit in that was not the intent, for quite a while, nasty bastards and some of us are sensitive to that. We have our own words. Now, mistakes I understand, and think no more of it.

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One more time... Zimmerman was *not* in his 30s... he was 28, Martin was old and fit enough to join the Marines.

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Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

yes, just 3 weeks as a 17 year old.. this reminds me that I was that age when I started living on my own, that is a difficult age.. the kid was almost half Zimmy's age..

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I now understand that you believe that would be a very low opinion of people for someone to say... what we are not clear.

But that people live in their own self interest? I do not hold that as a low opinion of people and it looks like I said that.

I have fixed and explained my error.
And I have only contempt for someone who would decided a mans fate based on what's good for them.
Never said you or anyone has to agree with me.

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One more time... Zimmerman was *not* in his 30s... he was 28, Martin was old and fit enough to join the Marines.

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Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

yes, just 3 weeks as a 17 year old.. this reminds me that I was that age when I started living on my own, that is a difficult age.. the kid was almost half Zimmy's age..

You can say it as many times as you like. I'm not interested in any of that crap, Powergamz. I know enough kids of 17 to know what they're like. And they ARE kids. Christ, I'd not even had a bonk till I was seventeen and a half. There's absolutely nothing you can say that will put Martin in the category of 'adult' for me. Forget it.

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Back to our little debate.

I dont believe its a "low opinion" of others to understand that they have other concerns outside of the jury room.

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FR

Seriously, given the goal that the defence only needs to sow an element of doubt, how many people think Zimmerman's going to go down for this?

Who really thinks the prosecution proved anything except that they had a good reason not to prosecute in the first place?

The prosecution proved every element of second degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt.

Zimmerman's own words proved he had ill will and hatred for Martin
Zimmerman's story was proven to be untrue by his own witness under cross examination(specifically there is no way he reached his weapon if Martin had him pinned down with Martin's knees in his armpits)
Zimmerman never denied shooting and killing Martin.

That's all the elements and Zimmerman made up the self defense claim and lied about knowing the self defense laws. You never know what a jury will do though. I am sort of surprised they didn't come back quickly, sequestered juries tend to return on Friday's so they can go home for the weekend.

Valid point to bad none of it is accurate.

All of it is accurate.

Zimmerman said "these assholes they always get away" in reference to Martin. In Zimmerman's mind Martin was already guilty. That is definitely ill will and hatred.

Zimmerman has told many different versions but the details he provided to the self defense guy and the statements he gave to police all include Martin straddling him at or above his waist with his arms outside Martin's legs and in one version he claimed Martins knees were in his armpits. There is no conceivable way he could have gotten to his weapon and there is no way Martin could have seen it and tried to take it away in any of these scenarios. Therefore we know it happened somehow differently thanks to the defense witness.

Zimmerman has of course never denied he shot and killed Martin.

That is all the elements of second degree murder and we know the self defense claim is a lie.

You ignore the obvious fact that Martin initiated the violent phase of the encounter making it clear cut self defense.
Martin's ill will and hatred was more clearly demonstrated by the prosecution with the cracker comment or are you going to claim that this was a term of endearment?

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Your selective outrage is noted.

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I now understand that you believe that would be a very low opinion of people for someone to say... what we are not clear.

But that people live in their own self interest? I do not hold that as a low opinion of people and it looks like I said that.

I have fixed and explained my error.
And I have only contempt for someone who would decided a mans fate based on what's good for them.
Never said you or anyone has to agree with me.

So, logically, you hold contempt for corporations, as well as Zimmerman. Goddamit, it don't really show. Because he showed contempt for someone when he decided Trayvons fate, based on what was good for him, didn't he?

He acted (as we all do) in his own self interest without regard to anything else, didn't he?

And hasn't this been the thrust of your alliying to his cause? If self-defense is not at the base of self-interest, then we got to redesign some dictionaries.

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One more time... Zimmerman was *not* in his 30s... he was 28, Martin was old and fit enough to join the Marines.

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Zimmerman shot a child. That will always be the starting point for me. A child at perhaps the most difficult age, too.

yes, just 3 weeks as a 17 year old.. this reminds me that I was that age when I started living on my own, that is a difficult age.. the kid was almost half Zimmy's age..