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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

put up or shut up ...last time you ran away, you sure havent proven racism by me, or anynumber of people who have commented...
You on the other hand are full of it.
so yanno you can just go jerk yourself a nice piece of shit

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

You just seriously endorsed the gay panic defense? You aren't even trying to keep the hood from slipping, are you??

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~ FR ~

For those who speculate on why Trayvon may have reacted the way he was alleged to have done, enter homophobia...

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out?

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K.

she stated that during the trial to that horrible lawyer West.. that the "creepy ass" part of the comment meant "perv/pervert".. what other kinda pervert is there? seems to me few people grasped that..

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To be honest, I would prefer to use a chemical spray on one myself-less chance of the irresponsible owners suing you for capping Fido later, and you wouldn't be putting innocents downrange at risk.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Thanks for clearly separating yourself *out* of the circle of people who have stuck to facts and reality. You might want to consider some tape since that hood keeps slipping so much.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

put up or shut up ...last time you ran away, you sure havent proven racism by me, or anynumber of people who have commented...
You on the other hand are full of it.
so yanno you can just go jerk yourself a nice piece of shit

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Do feel free to give a direct link to any valid legal resource that says that citizen's arrest is actually kidnapping.

You claim to have gone to law school but do not know what constitutes kidnap.
You claim to have gone to law school but do not seem to know what is required for a lawful "citizens arrest".
Perhaps next time you will go to real law school where they have a library,classrooms and teachers.

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You see post history as you want... I see it differently....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4322857

I fail to see how your example (which deals with sexism, not racism) disproves my point that Fargle, despite his outlandish rhetoric, is anti-racist (and anti-sexist for that matter).

I think that people who constantly make things about race, whether they are or not, are racists. I don't think I'm alone in that here.

This isn't a racial case.In never was.never should have been seen as such.
The jury sure didn't:
"While the George Zimmerman second-degree murder trial was viewed as racially charged, an anonymous juror told CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday night that the issue of race didn't come up during deliberations.

"I thought all of us did not think race played a role" in 17-year-old Trayvon Martin's death, a juror known as B37 told Cooper"

But a certain embedded element with the media and here seem to be obsessed with race (In fargles case,lynching) and have done everything within their power to make this a racial case.
Which is bizarre,because as has been beaten to death,Z is half latin,maybe has a black grandma-how white folk got dragged into this is beyond me...

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~FR

Mom actually said she was Afro-Peruvian...

A nice little write up about that here....

http://www.latintimes.com/articles/6341/20130715/george-zimmerman-white-race-peruvian-black-gladys.htm

"In Peru we have a saying that goes, 'If you don't have the blood of the Incas, you've got the blood of the Mandingas," which means that if you don't have Indian blood, you've got black blood," Gladys Zimmerman said on Univision. "In my family we proudly come from the Afro-Peruvian race. My sons know their uncles, they know their aunts, they know their roots and my roots are not white, my roots are Afro-Peruvian. So they've been educated, not just at home as a family, at school. My sons don't look at color."

According to Tanya Golash-Boza, a sociologist at the University of California and the author of "Yo Soy Negro: Blackness in Peru," Gladys Zimmerman's description of herself as "Afro-Peruvian" is somewhat unusual.

"The word 'Afro-Peruvian' is kind of a new concept in Peru," she told the Latin Times. "The idea that some people are African-descendent, some people are indigenous-descendent, some people are Hispanic-descendent has some currency in Peru, but it hasn't really reached down to the level of popular sentiment. Instead, people tend to be identified as black if they have visible African ancestry. If people can look at them and make a guess that their ancestors probably came from Africa -- very curly hair, darker skin."

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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When you see racism in people who aren't racists, where do you suppose the "racism" you're seeing is coming from?

This presumes there is such a thing as people who aren't racist. I don't believe that such a creature exists. It goes against human nature, it goes against human history, it goes against everything I have observed during forty-seven years of life.

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The difference between an anti- racist and those who are not is that the anti-racist uses reason and logic to overcome there own inherent racism in an act of will. An anti-racist sees a young black and walking down the street and - despite whatever initial reaction he or she felt - thinks to themselves there nothing wrong about walking down the street. The racist thinks he's up to no good. The racist thinks "these assholes always get away," and... well... we know what happened afterward.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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This isn't a racial case.In never was.never should have been seen as such.

Racism…damn that word is used so much that when I hear it I usually have a more negative reaction to the person directing it than to the person it is directed at. I don’t think I am alone and it is a shame that by its overuse true racism is often denied or overlooked.

What should be looked at is the reason African Americans commit 80 percent of violent crime. Here is where true racism comes in… I will not get into the these reasons here but it is not because blacks are more violent but because of the circumstances they find themselves in partly at least because of past and present racism.

I do understand that as a almost white man, lots of Cherokee mixed in, I look at racial views a different way than a person of color. I can only hope the day comes when this will not be true.

Butch

I agree. The race card has been played so often it has very little currency, except among african americans.
On the other hand, I think we will gradually breed ourselves out of our situation.

Why do blacks commit 80% of the crimes?
Well lets see - they drop ouf ot high school in fargreater numbers. They have a sub-culture that things pimping, whoring, and drug dealing is ok. Jobs are for stiffs.

Final story - I had a small business in an AA neighborhood. My neighbor was black, and had a laundry. He had clothes and cash on premises. He has no alarm. We never kept cash, or valueables and had good security. We were broken into by AAs once a month on average for 13 months. My neighbor - 0.
Do the math. Racism isn't just for white people.

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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Why do blacks commit 80% of the crimes?
Well lets see - they drop ouf ot high school in fargreater numbers. They have a sub-culture that things pimping, whoring, and drug dealing is ok. Jobs are for stiffs.

It's a bit more than that my man. The drug war is a huge part of this.Vast amounts of black fathers are in jail.It's led to an entire subculture based around an outlaw black market with resultant violence,incarceration, damage to social structures.
We have a long history of redlining and other laws designed to ghettoize blacks, there's a liquor store and a pawn shop(Which sell guns) on every corner in the hood,which ain't the case in the white burbs.Someone passes those laws, allows that zoning.
We have a criminal justice system that convicts/imprisons blacks in disproportionate numbers. Black schools are awful,especially in the urban centers. Infrastructure investment isn't expended. tax bases have crumbled.
The economic opportunities are nonexistent. The list goes on and on.


American society,history, and laws have contributed massively to this problem.

Pointing a blaming finger solves nothing, at any side. The real freaking question is, "OK, we have a problem,not a black problem or a white problem,but an American problem,one that affects and costs every citizen-what the fuck are we going to do about it?"

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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It's pathetic that a states justice system and laws have gotten so perverted that they have literally upended one of the most basic tenets of American jurisprudence...

It would seem to me that the most basic tenet of American jurisprudence is that the accused is innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe you need to brush up on English. "one of the" does not equal "the"

Maybe you need to brush up on your English comprehension. I said exactly what I meant, and I meant it exactly the way I said it. So now that I've given you a clue, see if you can puzzle out what it means.

K.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply too fucking stupid to read what I wrote. I see that instead you were just making a completely irrelevant comment that had no bearing on the point I was making to someone else.

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Well according to his girlfriend not only was the only case about race, the jury was also racist.

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

~FR~
My thoughts,
If you want racism to stop ,
Then stop bringing it into it.

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No one won this battle
Sad at the state of the American people.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

For those who speculate on why Trayvon may have reacted the way he was alleged to have done, enter homophobia...

MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?

JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out?

Source

K.

she stated that during the trial to that horrible lawyer West.. that the "creepy ass" part of the comment meant "perv/pervert".. what other kinda pervert is there? seems to me few people grasped that..

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ORIGINAL: Kana

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Well according to his girlfriend not only was the only case about race, the jury was also racist.

1-Not knocking her,but she's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.I'm not sure she's the person we should be following about this.

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ORIGINAL: tammystarm

~FR~
My thoughts,
If you want racism to stop ,
Then stop bringing it into it.

See-this is the debate I think we should be having.How did this case become about racism? Why did it?Why did it sit for two weeks and then explode? What forces pushed this and why? Where is the responsibility? Who fueled this false fire and what's their agenda?
These are pertinent questions.

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Further questions.
-Since Z is a minority and the state and feds have clearly singled him out for prosecution, overzealously so according to many lawyers,have his civil rights been violated?Does he have a legit federal case that the man used all his power to railroad a potentially innocent Latin?

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-Why are so many people dismissing the prosecutorial misconduct in this case? Is it now believed that it's acceptable for the govt to go to any lengths including violating its own laws to get someone to appease political agendas?
-Considering that neither Z nor his attorneys used and vestige of SYG (They relied solely on an old fashioned true blue American self defense),why are Florida's SYG laws still in the discussion?

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-Z has had multiple federal agencies,including 45(Count em,45!) freaking investigators, thoroughly vet his entire federal microscope.Each and all found no racism in his background.This includes the FBI.Yet the Attorney General vowed to continue to investigate him. At what point does the government go into overkill and double jeopardy statutes start to kick in? Or do the feds just have the authority to keep throwing federal agencies at someone until they crumble? And why do people not have a problem with this?


What I'm suggesting,hell,saying, is that many external forces seized on this case,saw it as an opportunity advance their agenda,whether the NAACP, Obama,The NRA, SYG advocates/deniers, racists on both sides of the political coin, whoever.
Why aren't we having a discussion about them. About the forces that intentionally separate us as a society, that fan the fires that divide, about how the fly false flags to advance disguised agendas, that shape and pervert our society.
Now that's a conversation worth having. At least in my mind
We could keep dicking round with the symptom or really start seeking the core issues.

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No one won this battle
Sad at the state of the American people.

The truest words yet uttered on this thread

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Thanks for clearly separating yourself *out* of the circle of people who have stuck to facts and reality. You might want to consider some tape since that hood keeps slipping so much.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

put up or shut up ...last time you ran away, you sure havent proven racism by me, or anynumber of people who have commented...
You on the other hand are full of it.
so yanno you can just go jerk yourself a nice piece of shit

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

I think it is sad if she really believes that all whites are racist...

Not much "if" about it, apparently.

K.

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ORIGINAL: CHF73

I have just one question for the Jury: how can a grown up man with a gun feel in danger "of his life and/or great bodily harm" because of an unarmed kid?

To me something doesn't match.