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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:10:46 AM   
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If you're shooting at a charging dog, you shoot center mass unless you're a 'real' operator. And while the 9mm in standard NATO drag is a bit wimpy, there are much better loads on the market.

And you're going to draw a crappy little pistol and put a round on center mass of a dog that is charging you how consistently? I'm a good shot and I doubt I could make the shot reliably in that actual situation.

And yet you were going on about a head shot.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:12:28 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:15:48 AM   
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Ah .. we've now located the entire source of the problem. You don't understand what 'evidence' means. Zimmerman breathing heavy might be evidence of being out of shape - but it is conjecture (guessing, wild-assed speculation) to call it pursuit.

Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin on the call to the police. He also admitted after he killed Martin that he didn't stop when the dispatcher told him to.





A following not pursuing

B if Zimmerman should have ignored police advice to carry a gun as you said how does ignoring advice not to follow make him a murderer?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:16:08 AM   
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Well, that's a fine contribution to the discussion...

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:21:09 AM   
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Well, that's a fine contribution to the discussion...

Did you notice that there are seven of them?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:21:58 AM   
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You've hidden behind that dodge before. According to that, Mother Theresa and David Duke are no different.




I repeat: The difference between an anti- racist and those who are not is that the anti-racist uses reason and logic to overcome there own inherent racism in an act of will.

So the difference between Mother Theresa and David Duke should be obvious.

By the way, not everyone thinks Mother Theresa is an icon of goodness.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:25:19 AM   
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Reservations which are the closest thing the US has ever come to concentration camps still exist.


What about the interment camps during World War II?

Read more posts, I already answered this.
Did the internment camps destroy a culture NO
Did the internment camps destroy the people NO

Does this mean the internment camps were ok NO
They were a misguided attempt to defend against non-existent threats

Do they even compare to the injustice of the reservation system NO

but the good news is that with either one you get to blame white people and for once you would actually be right

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:27:18 AM   
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This is the belief on the basis of which you feel justified running around calling people racists? It's human nature? Children are born that way, the nasty little fuckers?


Since when does engaging people on a message board equate to running around calling people racists?

But yes, I do believe that bigotry (of which racism is one way it can express itself) is natural to the human beings. Spend an hour watching a group of two year olds "playing" with each other unsupervised and you will no longer believe any of that "children are naturally good" crap.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:27:48 AM   
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Okay, I'm going to come to Fargle's defense here. 

"here I am dying of not surprised"
birds of a feather 


I got moderated once for calling Fargle a nutcase. A gross injustice as far as I'm concerned. None-the-less, Fargle has a long documented history of anti-racism on these boards. Therefore, despite his frequent forays into outrageous hyperbole, I count myself proud to be considered birds of a feather with him on this aspect.

Fargle is a nutcase
But I agree on your flock composition

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:34:51 AM   
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They were vacation resorts compared to Indian Reservations.


Maybe... but debatable.


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They were temporary.


So what? A temporary abridgment of you freedom is still an abridgment of you freedom.


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They were inspired in part by the (misguided) thought to protect Japanese-Americans from reprisals and from the (overestimated) fear of sleeper agents.


Bullshit. That was just and excuse to justify what was an obviously racist program. In a few cases there may have been some justification - contrary to popular belief there were some German-Americans and some Italian Americans who were interred - but the vast majority were Japanese. Why. Because they were different. There weren't white, they had funny eyes and funny accents.

I realize that this will be difficult for you to follow but at no point did I defend the internment camps.
As far as the question of which were worse, it is only debatable if you don't know what you are talking about.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:35:26 AM   
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I'll trump you and go one further Marc.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of your race - and wanting it to succeed and do well.


I also don't think there is anything wrong with being proud of the human race. Being proud of a subset of that race (which is often mistakenly referred to as a race... although I confess to going along with it because that is the language people use) is nonsensical.


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And, since the constitution says we have the right of free association - of associating with whom we want. Seeing as how we all do that already.


I am also a believer in the right of free association. But whom you associate with - or don't associate with - does say something about a person.

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I also think that if people are dumb enough to use race on the basis of hiring, housing etc - well they're stupid.
Being completely UNPC - why is it that only blacks have such a negative persistent stereotype. We've had italians, irish, koreans, chinese, cubans, mexicans
Yet almost uniquely, the largest continuing problems is with blacks.

Why is that?


My guess would be... two hundred years of slavery, over one hundred years of Jim Crow laws, and a justice system that disproportionately targets black people and then points to the results as proof of it's contention.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:36:35 AM   
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Since when does engaging people on a message board equate to running around calling people racists?

Unh, that would be since you started claiming that there's no such thing as a person who isn't a racist.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:37:05 AM   
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Move on.


Easy to say when you weren't the one who got fucked over.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:39:30 AM   
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They were vacation resorts compared to Indian Reservations.


Maybe... but debatable.


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They were temporary.


So what? A temporary abridgment of you freedom is still an abridgment of you freedom.


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They were inspired in part by the (misguided) thought to protect Japanese-Americans from reprisals and from the (overestimated) fear of sleeper agents.


Bullshit. That was just and excuse to justify what was an obviously racist program. In a few cases there may have been some justification - contrary to popular belief there were some German-Americans and some Italian Americans who were interred - but the vast majority were Japanese. Why. Because they were different. There weren't white, they had funny eyes and funny accents.

Of course it was racist. Of course the camps were unethical and illegal.But lets be clear why Japanese were interned and Germans weren't. The German American population was large enough to influence an election. The Japanese made the mistake of being a political micro-minority, rendering them politically unnecessary.


German Americans were interned

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American_internment

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:40:31 AM   
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You see post history as you want... I see it differently....

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4322857


I fail to see how your example (which deals with sexism, not racism) disproves my point that Fargle, despite his outlandish rhetoric, is anti-racist (and anti-sexist for that matter).

And anti sane

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:42:38 AM   
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Why is that?

My guess would be... a justice system that disproportionately targets black people and then points to the results as proof of it's contention.

Your ability to sustain your prejudices in the face of reality is awe inspiring.

K.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:43:27 AM   
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Are you suggesting we should just ignore the racist comments from those who think he was guilty. So it's ok for farg to claim that white lawyers are better than black because he would not have followed tray? Interesting logic there. Stupid, but interesting.


You know better than that.

I never said ignore it.

But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think. I acknowledged that such would still upset people and in no way suggested that he not be called on it. But there is no reason for going completely over the top and acting like it negates all of his previous arguments.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:51:55 AM   
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Enough ignorant comments to fill a book with, its sickening whoever is doing it....
shows an awful lot about a lot of people.... and using racism as the reason "everyone" think he is guilty is the most fucked up of them all.
All the last couple of pages stating everyone is racist is pathetic dickwaving n trumped up bullshit.... the paranoia hate and utter crap being spouted is chest thumping machismo at its ugliest but predictable

Don't hold back, how do you really feel.

Bad news, we agree again.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 11:57:22 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/16/2013 12:03:42 PM   
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Are you suggesting we should just ignore the racist comments from those who think he was guilty. So it's ok for farg to claim that white lawyers are better than black because he would not have followed tray? Interesting logic there. Stupid, but interesting.


You know better than that.

I never said ignore it.

But you know perfectly well that Fargle was being sarcastic and using black and white as synonyms for inferior and superior because that is how racists tend to think. I acknowledged that such would still upset people and in no way suggested that he not be called on it. But there is no reason for going completely over the top and acting like it negates all of his previous arguments.

You haven't been paying attention it's not even obvious that Fargle is from this planet

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