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Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record players? - 7/15/2013 9:44:26 PM

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Does anyone know anything about this Philips radio record player console? I googled and couldnt find anything.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 9:45:46 PM

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oops how do I post a pic from my desktop?

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 10:04:46 PM

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I might be able to point you in the right direction when you
get the photo posted.

The other alternative is to mail the photo to someone so they
can post it for you.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 10:08:09 PM

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I know a bit about record players... Not an expert or able to build one though.
What did you want to know?

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 10:19:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

oops how do I post a pic from my desktop?

If you choose "reply or "quote" over in the right hand corner the
box that opens will have a link and a check box under it

After you type your text you do the following.

The link is labeled: Click here to upload......do so
and follow the instructions.

Then place a check in the: Embed picture in post check box.

Don't hit preview, hit OK I have found it to be inconsistent
but that is how it works most of the time.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 10:39:00 PM

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okie dokes, I sent you an email outlier of the radio thingy. I couldnt post it on my own, so thank you so much. Hope you have better luck than I did.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 10:41:23 PM

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Here we go. I hope

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/15/2013 11:01:38 PM

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Looking at it I cannot tell if it is vintage tube or
early vintage solid state. So I am going to offer a
couple of suggestions. Try posting the pic and your
questions in some of these forums.

It depends upon what you want to know and why.
Do you just want a value to flip it? Do you want to
repair it and keep it? The type of answer you will get
will depend on your approach and intent, especially
being a new poster. I am sure you know how that works.

Go to: AudioKarma.org Straight value questions go in Dollars and Sense

If it is tube and you want repair info then there is a tube forum as well.

There is also an affiliate. VideoKarma.org They have a forum called
Antique Radio..... In there there is a sticky there called Post Those Consoles!!

As I said depending on the info you want and how you phrase it there are
knowledgeable people there. I don't vouch for any of them so exercise all
due caution just like everywhere on the web. I know they have some users
in Canada. Good Luck and please keep me posted.

Edited to add: They have vintage turntable forums as well.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 7:22:17 AM

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Cool thanks so much outlier. I think it is in perfect working order. Not sure the state of tubes it has, it came over from Europe with a couple of newlyweds in the mid 50's. The daughter and son are left to deal with it and we wonder what it is worth and who might buy it.

Thanks again.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 4:16:03 PM

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Back they there only had 20 songs they could play.

same deal on todays radio- they play the same 20 songs like it was like that unit

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 4:45:50 PM

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You may have a problem there.

You said it came over from Europe: most of Europe takes a different voltage and frequency than North America.

You will need a converter for it to even turn on here without burning up. You will need to find a collector.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 6:45:16 PM

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check with antique shops or do a google search for collectors of vintage electronics.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 7:54:51 PM

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HC,

If you are not CERTAIN that it plays than DO NOT try it
until you get it to someone who has a dim bulb tester. Or
until you construct your own.

Here is the technical information and the necessary schematics.

DIM BULB TESTER

It could mean the difference between saving it and cooking it.
Remember that all old electronics run on magic smoke. Once
you let the magic smoke out they will not work anymore.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 9:45:34 PM

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Oh wow, okay. I heard it does work and has worked for ages here in North America. I am certain I heard it play as a child, those heavy classical records and such. My mom said it was a Biamplifier. It is a Philips. I have some more pics I will send you outlier if you would be so kind. I havent checked yet if the admins approved my registration on that website you gave me.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/16/2013 10:02:53 PM

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I would seriously recommend have someone look at it before trying to play it, for safety reasons. With something that old the electrical cord could be frayed and be in danger of shorting out, plus components like some types of capacitors can leak oil and cause issues......

If it runs on 220 volts in the European manner, it usually would have a different plug then a standard 110v us unit. Sometimes units were made for dual voltage, and there will be a switch on the back (if it had a US plug and you wanted to run it in europe, it would still need an adaptor).

For something like that, I suspect it won't be particularly valuable, though there are people that love vintage equipment like that, I would hazard a guess in working order that might get a couple of hundred bucks (I am no expert)..the expensive stuff tends to be hi fi tube amplifiers, old scott and Macintosh tube amps are pretty expensive, in the thousands of dollar range.

On the other hand, you could always enjoy it, too, and you probably if you go on the forum could find someone to bring it up to snuff (for example, I suspect the speakers are probably in lousy shape).

There are sites on the web that have manuals for old audio units, I found the manual for an old Harman Kardon tube AMP I am trying to get to work. Good news is there are places to get replacement tubes if the ones in it blow, and they aren't prohibitively expensive. If you decide to try the turntable, make sure to get a new stylus for it.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 7:58:15 AM

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Oh wow, okay. I heard it does work and has worked for ages here in North America. I am certain I heard it play as a child, those heavy classical records and such. My mom said it was a Biamplifier. It is a Philips. I have some more pics I will send you outlier if you would be so kind. I havent checked yet if the admins approved my registration on that website you gave me.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 8:14:53 AM

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As far as value I know nothing. But I will crawl out on a limb and guess.

Consoles as a rule are not valuable. Too big, take up too much space
and don't play modern formats. Also it is very expensive to package and
ship so you are limited to local market if you are selling. Also, the information
about capacitors having a limited lifespan and speakers probably needing work
is correct. That and the scratch on the face are the bad news.

Good news, Philips is very respected. My guess is that the biamplification
means that there are 4 units in the box. The radio tuner, the turntable, and
2 separate amplifiers, almost for sure, tube amplifiers. My understanding is
that biamplification was only done to the highest end units, so that would mean
it is probably rare, low production number, collectable if you find the right person.
Another big plus is that it is original and from the original owners family. Collectors
love that.

OK, This limb is getting really shaky now so I am not going any further. One more
thought, do you have any local old radio clubs? And before you post on the AK
site get some photos of the back, if you can safely remove the rear panel and get
some photos those would be best. On AK they refer to cover off photos as "nudies".

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 8:20:48 AM

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I am afraid I have to agree with outlier, there is not much collector value in these, they are like old televisions, they do have sentimental value however. Can you donate it to some local museum and get a write off?

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 8:40:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: njlauren
There are sites on the web that have manuals for old audio units, I found the manual for an old Harman Kardon tube AMP I am trying to get to work. Good news is there are places to get replacement tubes if the ones in it blow, and they aren't prohibitively expensive. If you decide to try the turntable, make sure to get a new stylus for it.

If it's an old unit, definitely replace the rectifier tube, before all else. But then save the tube and take it in to a qualified tube amp technician and have him test it. In the highly unlikely event that its a Western Electric 274B tube, you've got $200-400 in hand, right there. Just shows you how crazy the market is for some select tubes designated as 'GOD!' by the Japanese audio nut cases. Fortunately, as you say, the vast majority of tubes available today are reasonably priced.

In any case, my aunt and uncle bought a Zenith tabletop radio set (which included inputs for turntable, microphone, tape machine, etc.) in 1955. In 2003 the thing stopped working. They took it in to the local repair shop, wherein the current techs found themselves utterly bewildered. They called up a retiree from that shop. He drove in, looked at it, did the "usual suspects" of metering this and that, and replaced the rectifier tube. Didn't touch anything else. Viola.

The radio still plays, every day, here in 2013 and likely for a good while beyond.

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RE: Anyone know anything about vintage radio/record pla... - 7/17/2013 9:05:25 AM

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There are a few of those smaller consoles on Ebay (look in Vintage Electronics), many of them asking a few hundred. The Phillips brand might put that one in the more collectable niche, go on one of the forums and ask around.

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