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DaddySatyr -> Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 10:21:07 AM)

On another thread the discussion (as is typical in the P&R section) has turned to race and race baiting and people seeing racism at every turn.

Since the late '70s and early '80s, I have pondered how long a (N)ational (A)ssociation for the (A)dvancement of (W)hite (P)eople might last. I got my answer in the late '90s when I heard about a group of people calling themselves (N)ational (O)rganization (F)or (E)uropean (A)merican (R)ights. The answer: About a year.

I was tooling around the internet, recently because I was searching out a book about which I had heard quite a bit. I was able to read excerpts (Thank God for Amazon.com) and one of those excerpts led me to a website where I found:

quote:



Our History

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an American people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother of modern civilization. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.Read the White Value System Here (In the original, the word "Here" is a link which leads the clicker to:).



These White Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Whites are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become White Christian Activists, soldiers for White freedom and the dignity of all humankind. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


2. Commitment to the White Community. The highest level of achievement for any White person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the White Community. I John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


3. Commitment to the White Family. The White family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Whites who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. Deuteronomy 6:6-8 - And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each White person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. White Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Whites should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of White minds. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.


5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the White Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


6. Adherence to the White Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the White workforce. II Thessalonians 3:7-12 - For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.


7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of White Progress and a model for White Youth. I Peter 1:4-7 - To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.


8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of subjugates teaches that wardens must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control. Proverbs 3:13-14 - Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
o Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
o Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
o Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."

o So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of White "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, White people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.


9. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the White Community.


10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting White Institutions.



My first thought was: "Wow! A church that seems to be more concerned with its ethnicity and utilizing scriptures to prove their racist points."

My second thought was: "Nah. They're just fucking racists."

So? Anyone? Bueller?



Peace and comfort,



Michael




mnottertail -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 10:24:33 AM)

They already have the KKK, and it is better organized, why invent the wheel, nobody wants to be a wannabe-KKK guy, they wanna be KKK.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:18:10 PM)

I'm more interested in the fact that they say that basic education should include math, Science, logic, etc and they are against anti intellectualism but on the other hand, every other statement seems to be a Bible verse.




Marc2b -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:39:53 PM)

I'm not sure why I want to wander into another shit storm but...



It's a set up folks. He took the words from a black church and replaced the word black with white.

The whole point of this exercise is, of course, to point out that black people can be racists too.

Well, no fucking shit.

But so what?

Black racism and white racism are not on an equal footing. When black people enslave white people for over two hundred years, oppress white people with discriminatory laws for over a hundred and fifty years, and create a "justice" system that disproportionately targets white people and then black people say "look how many white people have been convicted of crimes, that proves they are naturally criminal..."

Then white people will have a reason for a National Organization for the Advancement of White People.

Until then, the notion is laughable.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:46:05 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I'm not sure why I want to wander into another shit storm but...



It's a set up folks. He took the words from a black church and replaced the word black with white.

I don't give a crap what race they are. I want to see how a bunch of Bible beaters can claim to be "against anti intellectualism" and for "Science" in education.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:50:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

It's a set up folks. He took the words from a black church and replaced the word black with white.



Correct

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

The whole point of this exercise is, of course, to point out that black people can be racists too.



Wrong but thanks for stoppin' by.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Marc2b -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:50:44 PM)

I don't give a crap what race anyone is either. I just wanted to point out the deceitfulness and the false presumption that the OP''s premise was built on.




mnottertail -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:51:20 PM)

Well, he is racebaiting after all.




Marc2b -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:54:39 PM)

quote:

Wrong but thanks for stoppin' by.


Not really, but perhaps I should have been a little more clear. You were hoping to get people to say, "that's terrible, those white racists!" at which point you would swoop in and go "gotcha! You see, black people can be racists too."




DaddySatyr -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 12:58:03 PM)

What's really amazing to me is the PPLS in this country (and some of their cohorts) actually elected a member of this "church" president.

That aside, I was hoping that people would see of themselves in these words (or, some of what they feel the opposition is and then, turn it around). Some posters here could fuck up a wet dream.

Anyway, the point was that it's a no-brainer that racism exists in some form in just about any group of people but it is tolerated when it comes from certain people. There's no denying that. It seems some people are more equal than others.

As a fan of Dr. King, I am saddened that people who claim to be carrying the torch for his dream are actually pissing all over it.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Kirata -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:02:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I don't give a crap what race anyone is either. I just wanted to point out the deceitfulness and the false presumption that the OP''s premise was built on.

I don't see it as deceitful. I see it as a powerful way to get people to think about the judgments they make. You know, like calling it "deceitful" for example.

K.




Kirata -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:04:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

You were hoping to get people to say, "that's terrible, those white racists!" at which point you would swoop in and go "gotcha! You see, black people can be racists too."

This kind of information is of no practical use. Post the next winning lottery numbers.

K.








DomKen -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:25:51 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

I'm not sure why I want to wander into another shit storm but...



It's a set up folks. He took the words from a black church and replaced the word black with white.

The whole point of this exercise is, of course, to point out that black people can be racists too.

Well, no fucking shit.

But so what?

Black racism and white racism are not on an equal footing. When black people enslave white people for over two hundred years, oppress white people with discriminatory laws for over a hundred and fifty years, and create a "justice" system that disproportionately targets white people and then black people say "look how many white people have been convicted of crimes, that proves they are naturally criminal..."

Then white people will have a reason for a National Organization for the Advancement of White People.

Until then, the notion is laughable.

Actually He didn't even do that. this piece of drivel has been going around the web for a while.




mnottertail -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:27:27 PM)

I think it is decietful, it is racebaiting, and it is as powerful as joe the plumber, which is to say ignorant horseshit.


And I don't know that we tolerate some more than others, unless you are talking about alot of 'republicans' lately.

And of course it is churchy wrapped, so it is feeble-minded cretinism at the outset.




DomKen -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:31:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

What's really amazing to me is the PPLS in this country (and some of their cohorts) actually elected a member of this "church" president.

That aside, I was hoping that people would see of themselves in these words (or, some of what they feel the opposition is and then, turn it around). Some posters here could fuck up a wet dream.

Anyway, the point was that it's a no-brainer that racism exists in some form in just about any group of people but it is tolerated when it comes from certain people. There's no denying that. It seems some people are more equal than others.

As a fan of Dr. King, I am saddened that people who claim to be carrying the torch for his dream are actually pissing all over it.


What amazes me is how completely full of shit most whites are on the matter of race. The President's former church explicitly says they support their community. Now go out to the white bread suburbs and you'll find churches that do exactly the same they just don't explicitly write it down.

Try an experiment, take your resume. Replace your name with a name that implies a black heritage, Trayvon would do. Send out both copies of your resume to companies that are hiring and head hunters that work in your field. Don't be shocked when "Trayvon" gets far fewer calls for interviews than you do.




Marc2b -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 1:44:58 PM)

This is for the people who think that race doesn't play a role in people's decisions and that white racism and black racism are on an equal footing.

Part One.

Part Two.




Kirata -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 3:07:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I think it is decietful, it is racebaiting

I couldn't find "decietful" but your idea of race-baiting is asswipe.

The making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group ~Merriam Webster

The act of using racially derisive language, actions, or other forms of communication in order to anger or intimidate or coerce a person or group of people ~Wiktionary

K.




tazzygirl -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 3:20:10 PM)

~FR

http://open.salon.com/blog/sagemerlin/2012/08/23/whats_race_baiting_and_whats_not




BBBTBW -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 3:22:50 PM)

OH GOOD LORD, If you are not racist, PLEASE DIG A HOLE AND BURY IT. Its the race baiters that keep racism alive and well. We don't have to lower ourselves to their trivial crap.




mnottertail -> RE: Race And Race Baiting (7/16/2013 3:43:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


The act of using racially derisive language, actions, or other forms of communication in order to anger or intimidate or coerce a person or group of people ~Wiktionary

K.



Yeah, so asswipe is what you deal in then K, learn to fuckin cogitate, recognize, relate, assimilate, and comprehend. How would you characterize the OP, what words are missing from your insightfullly vacuous gander at the wictionary? ASSWIPE!!!!

You looked the shit up.




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