The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case.

The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion

Message

DarkSteven -> The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 5:45:17 AM)
There's been a lot of talk about racial discrimination in the Zimmerman case. But there's a very serious bias that is not discussed. Zimmerman is alive. Martin is not. Under the current US justice system of "innocent until proven guilty", the fact that the deceased cannot provide evidence is HUGE. Is there any way to counter the fact that a survivor has a big advantage?

Hillwilliam -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 5:47:42 AM)
"Dead men tell no tales" is a saying as old as humanity.

Yachtie -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 5:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Is there any way to counter the fact that a survivor has a big advantage? No. And as Hillwilliam points out, the victor writes the history.

DaddySatyr -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 5:50:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Is there any way to counter the fact that a survivor has a big advantage? There sure is: don't attack people for no reason and there's no reason for you to get dead. Hope that helps. Peace and comfort, Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 6:12:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven There's been a lot of talk about racial discrimination in the Zimmerman case. But there's a very serious bias that is not discussed. Zimmerman is alive. Martin is not. Under the current US justice system of "innocent until proven guilty", the fact that the deceased cannot provide evidence is HUGE. Is there any way to counter the fact that a survivor has a big advantage? If Trayvon would have survived, this case would have ended up as his word against Zimmerman's. Not exactly much better prospects for a conviction, unless you're going to go for the emotional angle, which, imo, is a very shitty way to run our system of justice.

CHF73 -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 6:17:33 AM)
Totally agree with Hillwilliam, Yachtie and, of course, DarkSteven

truckinslave -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 6:22:53 AM)
The survivor speaks for himself. An army of cops, investigators, forensics experts, and prosecutors speak for the deceased. In this particular case, the entire lying, evidence-tampering, selectively-reporting mainstream media spoke for the deceased. How many millions do you think The State spent persecuting Zimmerman? And you think Zimmerman had the advantage? Seriously?

CHF73 -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 6:26:25 AM)
Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage.

Kirata -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:00:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CHF73 Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage. Well, that depends on the evidence available. There are lots of people in jail who pled not guilty. K.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:11:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CHF73 Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage. And in this case, at least one of the jurors has spoken out, and it was clear to her anyways that the defense proved George's innocence.

DarkSteven -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:30:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: CHF73 Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage. And in this case, at least one of the jurors has spoken out, and it was clear to her anyways that the defense proved George's innocence. Uh, no. Not the defense's place to prove anything. The prosecution failed to prove his guilt, at least beyond a reasonable doubt. They bore the burden of proof.

Powergamz1 -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:51:52 AM)
Pleading self defense places some burden of proof on the defense, even if only to supply a coherent narrative that passes the 'reasonably in imminent fear for your life' test. quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: CHF73 Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage. And in this case, at least one of the jurors has spoken out, and it was clear to her anyways that the defense proved George's innocence. Uh, no. Not the defense's place to prove anything. The prosecution failed to prove his guilt, at least beyond a reasonable doubt. They bore the burden of proof.

kdsub -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:54:40 AM)
Yes just start convicting people on ifs and could haves... you are bound to get a guilty one now and then. Butch

everhope -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:57:13 AM)
quote: How many millions do you think The State spent persecuting Zimmerman i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 7:59:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: CHF73 Well when you have to prove "beyond any reasonable doubt" something only he was present to and survived to tell, it doesn't matter how much money the State spent...he still has the advantage. And in this case, at least one of the jurors has spoken out, and it was clear to her anyways that the defense proved George's innocence. Uh, no. Not the defense's place to prove anything. The prosecution failed to prove his guilt, at least beyond a reasonable doubt. They bore the burden of proof. I didn't say otherwise. But in this case, from that juror's own words, she seemed to feel the defense demonstrated George's actual innocence.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 8:02:56 AM)
O'Mara even told the jury that in his closing... Emphasizing that he only needed to show reasonable doubt but at the risk of pissing off defense attorneys everywhere, he would go beyond that, and prove innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. The juror that spoke out after said she has no concerns with George carrying his firearm again, and said the verdict came down to the last few seconds, and in that few seconds her belief was that George's life was in danger. Therefore espousing her belief in George's innocence.

Phydeaux -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 10:05:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: everhope quote: How many millions do you think The State spent persecuting Zimmerman i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman. Later figure said one million.

Termyn8or -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 10:10:15 AM)
quote: i heard reports it cost the state of Florida, $600,000 to prosecute Zimmerman. Every tme I hear bullshit like that I want to scream BULLSHIT ! It didn't cost them or anyone a fucking dime, all those people are on salary. If someone wants to claim that they SHOUDL be sitting on their asses doing nothing fine, but they still get paid no mmatter what. T^T

Moonhead -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 10:54:43 AM)
It certainly didn't come across as a $600,000 prosecution, did it? If pay for state prosecutors was performance related, somebody would be getting a hefty salary cut for next month's payslip...

Powergamz1 -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/17/2013 11:14:18 AM)
Oh, they performed well enough... given the bad case they had foisted off on them by the boss that is up for re-election soon. quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead It certainly didn't come across as a $600,000 prosecution, did it? If pay for state prosecutors was performance related, somebody would be getting a hefty salary cut for next month's payslip...

Page: [1] 2 3 4 5 next > >>

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.046875