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DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 7:36:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter. As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure. No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication. Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms. Sometimes in these situations you feel like you are fighting Doctor Octopus. Again Martin could not have been both pounding Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk forcing Zimmerman to shoot him and trying to take the gun out of Zimmerman's holster forcing Zimmerman to shoot him. One story or the other is a lie.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 2:10:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter. As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure. No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication. Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms. Nope. If the encounter all took place in under two seconds, then maybe four arms would be required. But for being on the ground nearly a minute, there is plenty of time for everything George said he thought happened to have happened, and to claim otherwise is ridiculous and desperate.

DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 2:29:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen No. I'm saying we don't know and that we know for a fact that Zimmerman lied about the encounter. As to Martin not attacking if he saw a gun, it was 7:15 Pm in February so it was pretty dark and if Zimmerman had pulled his weapon he could have been carrying it behind his body as I'm sure he'd seen tough guys do in movies and TV. We will never know for sure. No, we don't know for a fact that George lied about the encounter. That claim is a fabrication. Then you're back to Martin having at least 4 arms. Nope. If the encounter all took place in under two seconds, then maybe four arms would be required. But for being on the ground nearly a minute, there is plenty of time for everything George said he thought happened to have happened, and to claim otherwise is ridiculous and desperate. No. Either he had no choice but to kill because Martin was pounding his head into the sidewalk or he had no choice but to kill because Martin was trying to take his gun but it is not possible for both to be true so Zimmerman lied.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 2:35:49 PM)
Except that George never claimed his head was still being pounded on the concrete at the moment he pulled his gun. So your scenario has no basis in fact, and George is still not a proven liar.

DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 3:34:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Except that George never claimed his head was still being pounded on the concrete at the moment he pulled his gun. So your scenario has no basis in fact, and George is still not a proven liar. Actually he did. The defense dropped the whole struggle over the gun claim in the trial. That's why they brought an ME to testify the head injuries were worse than the prosecution's had said they were. If the claim wasn't in regards to Martin trying to bash in his head at the moment he fired the weapon then those wounds were irrelevant.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 3:40:29 PM)
No he didn't.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 3:49:46 PM)
What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun. What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police. So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive.

DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:18:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun. What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police. So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive. Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both. Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:36:35 PM)
George never claimed he was getting his head bashed at the same time Trayvon was reaching for his gun, in the same or in separate interviews.

Kana -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun. What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police. So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive. Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both. Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do. Or,you know, he had his brains scrambled from being pounded into the pavement and was in shock at the whole deal. Look, victims frequently get details wrong, especially in cases where traumatic shit goes down. Doesn't mean they are/we lying. In fact, it's so common in rape cases that prosecutors frequently discuss it in opening statements, cut that sucker off at the pass before the defense can play with it.

Nosathro -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:39:43 PM)
Here is something to think about https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1006280_588759274509938_1934947081_n.png

DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:48:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun. What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police. So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive. Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both. Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do. Or,you know, he had his brains scrambled from being pounded into the pavement and was in shock at the whole deal. Look, victims frequently get details wrong, especially in cases where traumatic shit goes down. Doesn't mean they are/we lying. In fact, it's so common in rape cases that prosecutors frequently discuss it in opening statements, cut that sucker off at the pass before the defense can play with it. I wouldn't bring it up if it was just some minor details but this Is why he shot.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 5:51:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kana quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun What George actually said is that he felt that Trayvon saw the gun (when we reenacted it, I felt the gun jutting against my leg, so we think that's how Trayvon became aware of it, though George of course would not have been able to tell in his position), and that he felt Trayvon reaching for it before pulling it and shooting. George said nothing about Trayvon continuing to bash his head after becoming aware of the gun. What George's Defense did at trial, was rightly focus on what would be more convincing to the jury, and in that regards, they had the photos of George's head and face that they put in the jury's face every chance they got. That was legal strategy by George's attorneys, which is an entirely separate thing from what George told the police. So once again, there is nothing about George's actual claims that would require anyone to have four arms, and still no proof of George attempting to deceive. Zimmerman made both claims, one during the interview and one during the walkthrough. So one or the other was a knowing lie or more likely both. Also if the defense made no claim about Martin bashing his head as the reason for killing Martin then the evidence on the head wounds would have been an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do. Or,you know, he had his brains scrambled from being pounded into the pavement and was in shock at the whole deal. Look, victims frequently get details wrong, especially in cases where traumatic shit goes down. Doesn't mean they are/we lying. In fact, it's so common in rape cases that prosecutors frequently discuss it in opening statements, cut that sucker off at the pass before the defense can play with it. More importantly, the inconsistency that Ken is harping about, didn't actually exist. If it did actually exist, then you are also exactly on the nose. The two detectives that interviewed George both testified under oath that inconsistencies are normal, and that George's inconsistencies are minor, and not sufficient to raise suspicion of George's story. Having all of this time to analyze every single detail of what George said following a traumatic event, with a willingness to spin them to create things that he didn't actually say is hardly proof of deception on George's part.

Kana -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 7:16:49 PM)
quote: I wouldn't bring it up if it was just some minor details but this Is why he shot. No dice. The jury found that M was shot because he made the fatal error of attacking an armed cracker.

truckinslave -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 9:16:19 PM)
Sequential acts. The jury understood that.

truckinslave -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 9:21:48 PM)
quote: an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do. Seriously?

Kirata -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 9:45:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Here is something to think about https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1006280_588759274509938_1934947081_n.png Ya gotta be dumber than a rock to imagine that anyone is going to believe that, and even dumber to be one of them. Not that I'm saying you do, of course. K.

DomKen -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/23/2013 10:06:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: an attempt to confuse the jury with irrelevancies and that the defense is not allowed to do. Seriously? If shooting Martin was because of Martin trying to take the gun away then all the head injuries are irrelevant and the judge should not have allowed the defense to enter anything about them into evidence. The defense claimed self defense and their evidence is supposed to be about that one issue, Zimmerman already admitted the fight occurred and he shot Martin. The only issue of fact was why he shot Martin.

Raiikun -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/24/2013 2:26:49 AM)
Of course we know that the injuries to George's head are absolutely relevant whether or not Trayvon went for George's gun right before George shot. Those injuries are part of why the jury believed it was George screaming for help, for one, and for another, knowing George was in that kind of pain lends a lot of support to convince a reasonable person to believe that George was in fear for his life even before Trayvon reached for the gun. I actually still can't believe someone would try and argue otherwise with a straight face.

BamaD -> RE: The REAL discrimination in the Zimmerman case. (7/24/2013 6:15:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Here is something to think about https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1006280_588759274509938_1934947081_n.png Thought about it. God this is stupid. Not saying you are but the "site" sure is.

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