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jlf1961 -> Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 12:12:17 PM)

The last few days it seems that I have been irritating the ladies in the house. It all started when I was at an estate auction Saturday.
I spent just over $1900.

And for the life of me, I really dont understand what the problem is.

Here is a list of offenses I have committed, in their opinion.

1) Purchasing three antique black powder firearms.

2) Disassembling an antique Enfield rifle on the kitchen table.

3) Boiling parts of said rifle on the stove in a mixture of coffee and dish soap.

4) Soaking some of the more rusted parts in a mixing bowl of mineral oil, again on the table, to help remove rust and other crap that seems to cake every moving part of the rifle.

5) Repeating the same process with the other two weapons, one is a .44 colt navy, The other is a coach gun, using black powder shot gun shells.

Again I fail to see what the problem is. I seem to get these kinds of complaints when ever I start any restoration project on an antique firearm, or when I clean car parts in the kitchen, and rebuild carbs on the kitchen table.

Now personally, I feel this is the male equivalent to the females in the house dyeing their hair at the table, doing their nails at the table, and generally doing things that smell terrible and have nothing to do with eating a meal or general conversation.

In my defense, I did stop at walmart and pick up some cheap white flat sheets and a roll of plastic to put under the sheets.

They cannot seem to understand my enthusiasm about the rifle, because what I first took as a reproduction has British Manufacturing marks and appears at this point to be an imported CSA issued rifle. The other two look just as genuine, however I have not checked the makers marks with any of the available websites that can verify the marks.

It was not like we were actually having prepared meals at the table this weekend, due to my niece's work schedule, her boyfriend's mother being in town, and my sister declaring that it was going to be too hot to cook in the kitchen until the guys came out to fix the freaking ac, which it turns out now needs to be completely replaced. (note for home owners in states with fire ants, make sure the damn thing cannot get into the wiring or electronic components of the the ac unit outside.)

About the AC going out, Last year after taking out two dying live oaks in the back yard, the west side of the house was getting a lot of direct sunlight, I purchased 4 small window units to put in the bedrooms and two larger units for the den and living/dining room.

All in all, I say that their complaints are without merit and they should keep quiet, after all, I have to tolerate "True Blood" on Sundays,



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 12:15:06 PM)

the kitchen is not a garage work shop and should not be treated like one, in my opinion. There's more appropriate and better places to set up shop so to speak.



ShaharThorne -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 12:18:06 PM)

I understand about the guns, being a history buff myself. One of my brothers has my grandpa's rifle from WWII.

On the other hand, enduring True Blood (I am surprise Harris is not having a fit the way the show rapes her books) can be troublesome.

Remind them that you are trying your best but it is either they put up with you or you cancel Sunday night's HBO viewing...



mnottertail -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 12:18:45 PM)

What is the deal with coffee and dishsoap? What ratios, and what does it do?



LadyPact -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 12:31:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Now personally, I feel this is the male equivalent to the females in the house dyeing their hair at the table, doing their nails at the table, and generally doing things that smell terrible and have nothing to do with eating a meal or general conversation.

Just from your description, you are talking about an endeavor that "smelled bad" wayyyyyy longer than it takes to do hair or nails. Even a full set of acrylics with paint takes an hour and a half at a decent shop. (Meaning not the kitchen table.) Hair dye is the amount of time it takes to apply and 25 minutes to set if doing color by Clairol. Neither of which require any use of any item that will be used again in the future for FOOD. Even I have separate pans, bowls, etc that I use to make paraffin wax candles and the chemicals involve are much less.


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In my defense, I did stop at walmart and pick up some cheap white flat sheets and a roll of plastic to put under the sheets.

I'll give you credit for this part. From your other threads, I can safely assume you cleaned up the mess.


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All in all, I say that their complaints are without merit and they should keep quiet, after all, I have to tolerate "True Blood" on Sundays,

Hey, hey, hey! None of that blasphemy!




jlf1961 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 1:25:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

What is the deal with coffee and dishsoap? What ratios, and what does it do?



Being a history major, I learned while doing some research for a paper on the REAL old west, that cowboys and "gunfighters" used to boil gun parts in the coffee pots over a fire in coffee. I added dish soap to cut oil, grease and stuff like that.

Basically I have two camping coffee pots, one that I retired due to porcelain chipping, so I put that on the stove, put the gun parts in it, set up to brew a full pot of strong coffee and a table spoon of dawn concentrate dish soap. The acid in the coffee actually will pull powder residue off the parts. I dont use this on modern weapons, since the modern powders do not foul weapons near as bad.

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LadyPact said
Just from your description, you are talking about an endeavor that "smelled bad" wayyyyyy longer than it takes to do hair or nails. Even a full set of acrylics with paint takes an hour and a half at a decent shop. (Meaning not the kitchen table.) Hair dye is the amount of time it takes to apply and 25 minutes to set if doing color by Clairol. Neither of which require any use of any item that will be used again in the future for FOOD. Even I have separate pans, bowls, etc that I use to make paraffin wax candles and the chemicals involve are much less.


Like I said above, the pot I use is a retired porcelain coffee pot that you use on camp fires. And yes the mess, what little resulted, was cleaned up.

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LittleGirlHeart said
the kitchen is not a garage work shop and should not be treated like one, in my opinion. There's more appropriate and better places to set up shop so to speak.



Not meaning to sound snippy,
First, I store my modern and antique weapons in the house, not the workshop

Second, the workshop I have is full of wood working tools and power tools, and of course saw dust.

Restoring antique guns is, unfortunately a space consuming hobby. And since the room I used to do this sort of stuff in, with the exception of the coffee pot on the stove, was recently taken over by a blonde haired little heathen who is 19 months old and wearing 3T clothes! My bench was disassembled and removed from the home, all of my gun tools were put in my room, in their neat little organizers, and my gun cabinet that housed the antiques was moved to the den. (modern weapons are kept in a gun safe in my bedroom which is the reason my work bench could not be put in there.)

Now since I had to give up a whole room, mind you his toddler bed and dresser occupy maybe a quarter of the available space, but my suggestion that it be shared was voted down, (actually completely freaking ignored.)

Therefor, since my hobby room was appropriated for my great nephew, I have to work on the weapons somewhere, and the only flat surface large enough is the dining room table.

Besides, a man's home is his castle, as the saying goes...



ashjor911 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 2:10:15 PM)

ummm ... no

I don't have a 1900$ to spend ...[>:]



DesFIP -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 6:47:44 PM)

Excuse me, you do not use food storage and prep items, like bowls and pots, for toxic nonfood stuff.

Buy a hot plate and some cheap pots and do this in, or better yet just outside the garage.

Especially with a very young person in the house who will become poisoned by much smaller amounts of toxic items than adults.

Seriously, I hope you have the poison control center on speed dial.



NuevaVida -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 7:02:21 PM)

1. I buy expensive coffee, so I'd probably just be peeved at my coffee being wasted, unless a cheaper coffee was purchased for the boiling situation.

2. I also have a fairly expensive cookware set, so unless a cheaper pot was purchased to do the boiling in, I'd have a problem with that, also.

3. Other than that, if he's paying the full mortgage, I suppose I'd have to deal with whatever he wanted to use the kitchen for, but I'd probably still bitch about it. :)

4. Never seen an episode of True Blood. I don't really watch TV, and I have my nails and hair done in salons, so he'd have to find a different comparison.

5. If I welcomed a baby into the house, there's no way I'd share his/her bedroom as a gun workshop (or any other workshop).

6. Do you have a garage you can do these things in?



jlf1961 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 7:29:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Excuse me, you do not use food storage and prep items, like bowls and pots, for toxic nonfood stuff.

Buy a hot plate and some cheap pots and do this in, or better yet just outside the garage.

Especially with a very young person in the house who will become poisoned by much smaller amounts of toxic items than adults.

Seriously, I hope you have the poison control center on speed dial.




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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

1. I buy expensive coffee, so I'd probably just be peeved at my coffee being wasted, unless a cheaper coffee was purchased for the boiling situation.

2. I also have a fairly expensive cookware set, so unless a cheaper pot was purchased to do the boiling in, I'd have a problem with that, also.

3. Other than that, if he's paying the full mortgage, I suppose I'd have to deal with whatever he wanted to use the kitchen for, but I'd probably still bitch about it. :)

4. Never seen an episode of True Blood. I don't really watch TV, and I have my nails and hair done in salons, so he'd have to find a different comparison.

5. If I welcomed a baby into the house, there's no way I'd share his/her bedroom as a gun workshop (or any other workshop).

6. Do you have a garage you can do these things in?


Once more, I use an old "retired"m campfire coffee pot to clean the gun parts in, none of the stuff that is used for food is used in the process.

The only workshop I have on the property is a wood working shop, inside is a table saw, radial arm saw, saw horses, drives, various hand power saws, a router table. There would be no room to actually put a bench in there for working on guns, especially after I put the planer in there.

Also, as I stated, once I finished this nice white pine toddler bed, there was a rebellion in the house, and my man cave was taken over by the rebels and declared the domain of booger butt, aka Munch, aka Demon Child aka Damian. All my gun related stuff went into either one of the closets in my room, or on the shelves in my room that once had my book collection on them, which is now in a large tote in the other closet.

Dont have a garage, have a car port, basically a roof, four posts to hold roof up, and no walls.



NuevaVida -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 7:42:57 PM)

Ah, I missed the part about retired cookware, my apologies.

I wouldn't mind gun work in the kitchen, as long as it was cleaned up right away. Then again, I'd feel that way about any project, including my own.

I can't tell if you're really complaining about giving up a man cave to house a child...I'd imagine it was a sacrifice you were willing to make, yes?



FrostedFlake -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 7:53:36 PM)

The problem, JLF, is simple ignorance. The people you are contending with have the impression it's their kitchen. It isn't. It's your kitchen just as much as anyones.

More, they have the impression you made a mess. What you made is money. By doing work. It would seem an explanation of how money is made and what work looks like is in order.

Further, these people seem to have the impression a firearm or a carburetor is a piece of filthy junk. It is in fact, NOT. Each is a small machine with many even smaller parts, each of which must be perfectly happy if the entire item is to function properly. Making those tiny and expensive parts happy can in no way be compared to chopping wood, for if even one part goes astray, the entire item and everything dependent on it is fucked up. The kitchen table is the best place to do things like that, most particularly in the case of an antique, where parts are unlikely to appear to replace any that are lost.

Finally, these women seem to be under the impression that you are some kind of dang fool to waste $1900 on something THEY DIDN'T WANT. It needs to be pointed out that the actual case is, THEY THINK you are a damn fool and it is because they don't know what the fuck they are talking about and are having what are called 'boundary issues'. Ignorance is not merely painless. It feels a lot like knowledge. And leads people into saying stupid things without realizing it and fighting over nothing.



jlf1961 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 8:29:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Ah, I missed the part about retired cookware, my apologies.

I wouldn't mind gun work in the kitchen, as long as it was cleaned up right away. Then again, I'd feel that way about any project, including my own.

I can't tell if you're really complaining about giving up a man cave to house a child...I'd imagine it was a sacrifice you were willing to make, yes?



Yes, I hand made the furniture that went in there, the bed and the dresser.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 9:25:07 PM)

I bet they'd really hate me building fishing rods on the kitchen table.



jlf1961 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 11:37:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I bet they'd really hate me building fishing rods on the kitchen table.



Never built one myself, I was given a hand made rod this year of my birthday. Which makes a lot of sense, since we are in the middle of the longest drought I can remember and fishing can be as easy as wadding into the "laek" and grabbing the fish....


But it is the thought that counts, and it is a beautiful piece of workmanship.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/22/2013 11:55:57 PM)

I don't see their issue. When you gave up your space, they didn't think there'd be some trade offs?

Himself does that kind of thing on a regular basis, but he has his own space for it. If he needed to use the kitchen, he'd ask when was a good time, since that does tend to be my domain. As for the smell, I'd turn on a fan or light a candle.

Shesh.



MasterCaneman -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/23/2013 1:24:05 AM)

I see absolutely no problem with this at all. Your castle, your rules. End of subject. As long as you clean up the shit afterwards so you don't get lead contamination, I don't see what their beef is. And congrats on the score. They sound great.



jlf1961 -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/23/2013 2:19:56 AM)

I store the black powder and lead I use to make bullets in my wood shop, as wells as do my reloading out there. Sorry but the idea of keeping an explosive in the house is not one that I relish.

As for the smell, on the antique weapons, I usually use rubbing alcohol and diluted vinegar. And I always have incense burning in the house regardless of what I am doing. (My therapist is a big fan of aroma therapy, so I have dragon's blood, vanilla, opium, jasmine, and a couple of other scents on hand) and when I am in doubt of what scent I want to burn, I let Damian pick the smell he likes. (I personally think he would like an incense that smells like chocolate ice cream, but I havent seen any)

I dont use anything toxic because of Damian. The little guy seems to want to be where ever I am, and during this project, I let him "help" by standing on his "supervisors" chair I made for him and telling me what I need to be doing.

His supervisor chair is kinda a reverse of a pulpit, it is open facing the table and three sides are high enough where there is no way he can fall out of it. It was the only solution I could come up with to keep him from standing on the dining room chairs.

The only toxic cleaning solvents I have are for my modern firearms, and I have to come up with a new place to use that to clean my guns, since my man cave with the window mounted exhaust fan has been seized.

If anyone can suggest a substitute for the cleaning solvents in modern gun cleaning kits, I would appreciate the information. I have been told that the vinegar would not be suitable.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/23/2013 6:49:16 AM)

Jeff http://www.midwestseasaltcompany.com/milk-chocolate-incense/



tommonymous -> RE: Has this happened to you? (7/23/2013 8:20:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
If anyone can suggest a substitute for the cleaning solvents in modern gun cleaning kits, I would appreciate the information. I have been told that the vinegar would not be suitable.


Check out the stuff from Frog Lube and Slip 2000. I don't have any direct experience with Frog Lube, but it's supposed to be pretty good stuff. I've used the 725 cleaner from Slip 2000 for some light cleaning (Call me crazy, but I don't keep dirty guns around on the off chance that I'll be able to demo some new cleaner.) and it seemed to work pretty well.



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