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If fired into the air you can't know were it will land, when fired into the ground it can bounce.
In either case it is aimed away from the other person.

A bouncing bullet is aimed away from the other person? As far as the air, what goes up must come down.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Bullet-Fired-in-the-Air-Strikes-Chesterfield-Boy-214371901.html

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-freak-death-man-fires-gun-air-bullet-travels-mile-kills-15-year-old-amish-girl-article-1.994626

Bullets fired into the air maintain their lethal capability when they eventually fall back down.

In the case of a bullet fired at a precisely vertical angle (something extremely difficult for a human being to duplicate), the bullet would tumble, lose its spin, and fall at a much slower speed due to terminal velocity and is therefore rendered less than lethal on impact. However, if a bullet is fired upward at a non-vertical angle (a far more probable possibility), it will maintain its spin and will reach a high enough speed to be lethal on impact. Because of this potentiality, firing a gun into the air is illegal in most states, and even in the states that it is legal, it is not recommended by the police. Also the MythBusters were able to identify two people who had been injured by falling bullets, one of them fatally injured. To date, this is the only myth to receive all three ratings at the same time.

http://mythbustersresults.com/episode50

An illegal act isnt made legal simply because the shooter believes no one will be in danger.

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Employment

Gonna have to have another idea - cause that aint gonna happen in the next 5 years. Besides, significant minorities wont take a job. Ever work at a welfare office - its hair raising.

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The gun the gun come on that should be obvious.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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The gun the gun come on that should be obvious.

What should be obvious?

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That it is the gun that is aimed away from the other person, don't give me any garbage about shooting at their feet it is still not aimed at the person.

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And what is the big deal I am in agreement that warning shots should be fired unless there is more than one attacker (for the slow ones, not you ) that means the 2nd one gets a warning.

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I want someone seems to think that gun owner = murderous scum to show me one case of self defense he agrees with to prove that he has something approaching an open mind.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I want a person who has gone to incredible lengths to justify a clear cut illegal killing simply because the guy had a gun to acknowledge that this is clearly 2nd degree murder and prove he isn't just defending the guy with a gun again.


I want someone seems to think that gun owner = murderous scum to show me one case of self defense he agrees with to prove that he has something approaching an open mind.

Again your characterization of me is wrong stupid and insulting.
Since when did manslaughter become a legal killing.
The floaters story is flawed to say the least.

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I want someone seems to think that gun owner = murderous scum to show me one case of self defense he agrees with to prove that he has something approaching an open mind.

http://www.journalstandard.com/news/x845557135/Police-Texas-girl-12-fatally-shot-dad-in-head

Roderick Scott.

Just two off the top of my head.

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That it is the gun that is aimed away from the other person, don't give me any garbage about shooting at their feet it is still not aimed at the person.

Its still illegal to do so. With good reason.

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And what is the big deal I am in agreement that warning shots should be fired unless there is more than one attacker (for the slow ones, not you ) that means the 2nd one gets a warning.

There is no reason to fire a warning shot. I am of the belief, as many experts are, that a shot should only be fired with intent to do damage, not intent to instill fear. Scaring someone only makes the situation worse.

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Him shooting at their feet is a sign of aggression. If the tables had been turned and he had been killed, no one would convict.

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If they were only there so the cousin could relieve himself which he had done when Crocker first came down why were they shouting that they wouldn't leave when they could have done so when he went back to his car.

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Have to say bama, you've published a lot more facts than were available in early reports.

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If they were only there so the cousin could relieve himself which he had done when Crocker first came down why were they shouting that they wouldn't leave when they could have done so when he went back to his car.

If its public access, why should they?

He left to go to his car, his life certainly was not in danger.

He didnt call the police because he said they would get away.

He agreed that leaving would have taken care of the problem.

According to a probable cause statement filed by the Crawford County Sheriff’s Department, detectives asked Crocker if he could have called law enforcement when the group refused to leave.

To which Crocker replied, “I guess I could have, but it’s my property and I was going to protect it.”

Crocker stated several times in the interview he was going to protect his property and if he would have left (to call police) the people would have been gone before law enforcement arrived, according to detectives.

Detectives then asked him even if the people had left, wouldn’t have that been the desired result.

Crocker’s reply according to the report was, “Yeah that would have worked too.”

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"I just shot the one closest to me," Crocker said, according to police.

Dart was shot from about three feet away.

http://dailyjournalonline.com/news/local/case-law-says-floaters-had-right-to-stop-on-gravel/article_c7fd3980-f655-11e2-baa9-0019bb2963f4.html

And I still cant find the article about how the deceased was swinging at the gun.

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Still think Crocker screwed up and should go to jail.

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Still think Crocker screwed up and should go to jail.

I'd correct this with: "Crocker is a sociopath and if he has no moral issue to kill someone just because is annoying, he is a danger for society and so he should go to jail"

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Alec was "founded" in 1973. It began as the "Conservative Caucus of State Legislators". and, according to its founder, Mark Rhoads, it was a direct result of the feeling of powerlessness among the conservative party from the political climate of the 60's and early 70's.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VAqNKMfgdk4C&pg=PT203#v=onepage&q&f=false