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ALEC didn't even exist in the 1960s, when states started moving away from the Jim Crow era 'must retreat' chattel (slave) laws, and the move toward the right of *all* people to self defense (influenced by Wechlser ) began.

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Alec was "founded" in 1973. It began as the "Conservative Caucus of State Legislators". and, according to its founder, Mark Rhoads, it was a direct result of the feeling of powerlessness among the conservative party from the political climate of the 60's and early 70's.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VAqNKMfgdk4C&pg=PT203#v=onepage&q&f=false

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So 1973 is the same as 'the 1960s' in your world?

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Now you are desperately lying about what I posted. Let's get this straight right now, since you want to drag your racist spew into this thread after being exposed in the unmoderated one.

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The ludicrous and racist meme being spread here, that ALEC of all groups, came along and helped black people arm and defend themselves is pure bullshit that needs to be exposed every time it comes up.

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Also I note you fail to even attempt to respond to the overwhelming facts that prove the ALEC and the NRA are behind CCW and SYG laws.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Excuse me... where did I say ALEC helped arm "black men"?

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Also I note you fail to even attempt to respond to the overwhelming facts that prove the ALEC and the NRA are behind CCW and SYG laws.

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The ludicrous and racist meme being spread here, that ALEC of all groups, came along and helped black people arm and defend themselves is pure bullshit that needs to be exposed every time it comes up.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Also I note you fail to even attempt to respond to the overwhelming facts that prove the ALEC and the NRA are behind CCW and SYG laws.

Are you insisting his position is that ALEC was arming black men?

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The ludicrous and racist meme being spread here, that ALEC of all groups, came along and helped black people arm and defend themselves is pure bullshit that needs to be exposed every time it comes up.

ALEC came along at the time Strom switched sides... do you honestly believe he would have supported a group that was "arming black men"? Heaven forbid Jesse Helms be part of such a group!

Almost immediately, the impact of this interaction was evident: In 1981, ALEC published and distributed 10,000 copies of Reagan and the States, detailing methods for decentralizing government from the federal to the state level. In 1982, ALEC began developing its first health care initiatives. In 1983, ALEC responded to the Reagan Administration’s landmark study, A Nation at Risk, with a two-part report on Education which laid the blame for the nation’s educational decline squarely where it belonged-on centralization, declining values, and an increasingly liberal social agenda that had pervaded schools since the 1960s-and which offered such “radical” ideas as a voucher system, merit pay for teachers and higher academic and behavioral standards for students as possible solutions to the problems.

http://www.alec.org/about-alec/history/

The 60's bugged the hell out of these men.... in more ways than one. If you are under the belief they this fear mongering and angry group of men didnt seek to arm the white population, you are sadly mistaken.

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Yes, but apparently we are reading the wrong things.

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Since you weren't there to see it first hand, and you refuse to learn about it now, let me school you. The white men were already armed. Got it? They didn't need SYG, they had the birthright.

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The chattel 'must retreat', and the 'may issue' laws benefited the KKK.

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The white men were already armed.

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Since you weren't there to see it first hand, and you refuse to learn about it now, let me school you. The white men were already armed. Got it? They didn't need SYG, they had the birthright.

SYG wasnt even in play until 2005. Apparently you need to go back to school.

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The chattel 'must retreat', and the 'may issue' laws benefited the KKK.

Duh.. Thats pretty much textbook material for anyone in school. Are you now insisting that the KKK was comprised of blacks?

ALEC is a conservative based group, brought about because of the changes in the 60's, of which Civil Rights was a major aspect, along with the dismantling of segregation. Strom Thurmond switched parties because of the CVA.

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The white men were already armed.

Yep.. for hunting... not for killing off other people.

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Again, you weren't there. The KKK only killed deer and rabbits? You've gone off the edge now.

I'd suggest that you try to educate yourself on what really happened in the old South, like Rosewood, but you've refused before.

Keep your fantasies, I won't waste anymore time on your smirking revisionist history.

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so your point is that SYG laws are good because lunatics of any ethnicity can feel authorized to kill everyone whose presence bother them, not like in the 50's when it was privilege of caucasian nuts.

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http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law        Here is a list from the local newspaper where I live about the real history of "Stand Your Ground" laws here in Florida. This law has already been abused by too many of the wrong people.

Of course the law has been abused. It is meant to be abused.

To no greater extent than any other law.
What is your opinion of the Roderick Scott case?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

I want a person who has gone to incredible lengths to justify a clear cut illegal killing simply because the guy had a gun to acknowledge that this is clearly 2nd degree murder and prove he isn't just defending the guy with a gun again.


I want someone seems to think that gun owner = murderous scum to show me one case of self defense he agrees with to prove that he has something approaching an open mind.

Again your characterization of me is wrong stupid and insulting.
Since when did manslaughter become a legal killing.
The floaters story is flawed to say the least.

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Scott is a murderer who should not have gotten off because he sought the confrontation. He could have simply called the police and been safe n his home.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Scott is a murderer who should not have gotten off because he sought the confrontation. He could have simply called the police and been safe n his home.

You and I will disagree on this. It was his property being robbed. He had the right, legally and morally.

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp