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No the dead man stepped between them and Crocker shot the closest one. It is right there in the story.

Exactly... the dead man wasnt holding rocks.

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C Since people seem to be ignoring this I will repeat it. I want to wait till we have more than the widow's view to make up my mind.

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C Since people seem to be ignoring this I will repeat it. I want to wait till we have more than the widow's view to make up my mind.

I do believe both sides were given in that article.

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the gravel bar was public property."

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In the court papers, Detective Zachary A. Driskill of the Crawford County Sheriff's Office explains that he interviewed Crocker after the shooting. Crocker told him he had seen a man urinating and told him to leave the gravel bar.

Crocker "stated that he told the male that the gravel bar was his property and he did not want him to urinate there and that he needed to leave," Driskill wrote. Crocker said the man refused to leave. Crocker walked back to his vehicle and then turned back and again walked back to the gravel bar. When Crocker returned, men were yelling at him "stating that they weren't going to leave and that the gravel bar was public property."

http://eyeondentcounty.typepad.com/

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How do you assess "put down the gun and we will see who has the power".

Said after he shot at a guy and said "I have the power here. I have the power." How do you expect people to respond to craziness like that?

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You want to hang anyone with a gun, that is scary.

Nope just crazy assholes who carry a gun to feel macho and then use it at the first opportunity.

Although I do worry about the segment of our population that lives in such fear that they think they need a gun just to walk around their own property or drive to a Target.

And shouldn't you be defending the floaters who clearly were the ones with the right to stand their ground. They were in a public place when an armed man threatened them. Surely if they had shot him as soon as he fired a shot into the ground you would say they should not even be arrested or if the guy with the rock beat him to death after he fired that first two shots that would be perfectly legal as well.

Not according to the story, during the shouting part he said, according to the widow, I have the power twice, and they said put down the gun and we will see who has the power. Only a moron wouldn't take that as a threat.

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Then one guy picked up rocks

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I think they all believed it was their property.. at least thats how some in the articles are claiming.

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I think they all believed it was their property.. at least thats how some in the articles are claiming.

And nobody was willing to be reasonable.

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I think they all believed it was their property.. at least thats how some in the articles are claiming.

And nobody was willing to be reasonable.

All depends... if he shot into the gravel bar, he doesnt have a leg to stand on from my understanding. The gravel bars are considered public property.

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Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/24/responsible-gun-owner-opens-fire-on-car-full-of-kids-because-dad-tried-to-turn-around-in-her-driveway/#ixzz2a1HJcpRF

You know how sometimes you get lost and you just don’t have anywhere to turn around except by using someone’s driveway? Well, don’t ever let that happen to you in the backwoods of Tennessee.

Oscar Scott and his family of seven decided to go out for a nice Sunday visit to Bays Mountain Park in northeastern Tennessee. When it was time to go home, they thought it’d be nice to take the scenic route. After enjoying some scenery, they came across Bays Mountain Road and took it, curious to see if it would take them back to the park. After going a ways down the road, they noticed that the road became very narrow and turned in to what Scott described as “an old log road.” Figuring it was best to turn around, he put the car in reverse, and chaos ensued.

Margie Rhea Ramey saw the car go into reverse from her front porch, where she’d been sitting with a few other people. Sick of people who were “tearing up her driveway,” Margie started yelling. Before they even touched her driveway, Scott’s son asked “Does she got a gun?” and Margie opened fire on the SUV carrying five children, ages four to twelve. She fired two shots, one hitting close to where the children were seated in the car. Scott’s wife yelled to her that they were simply turning around, but ol’ Margie wasn’t having it. Scott put pedal to the metal and got them out of there as fast as he could and called the police.

Ramey was arrested and released on a $1,000 bond Sunday night. She is charged with seven counts of reckless endangerment.

The title of the article alone proves extreme bias on the part of the writer. No rational person would call this a responsible gun owner unless they are trying to paint all gun owners with the same brush.

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Back shooting someone who is merely running away with a few hundred dollars worth of property 'has merit'?

Please tell me you are joking?

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Here is a story I feel where taking the law into your own hands hold merit.
We lived on a farm, way out in the middle of nowhere land. We had one direct neighbor who lived right across the road down a lane. Our other neighbors closest to us lived almost a mile from us. A rash of equipment, farm supplies, and ATV burglaries were going on in two counties. Our ATV was stolen twice. First time, it was recovered, by a routine traffic stop and the vin numbers were checked, found it was stolen, and the guy went to jail for probation violation for 3 yrs. 5 months later the same ATV was stolen again! IT was never found. Luckily we had insurance. Both times they were stole in the middle of the night.
Approximately a month later, our neighbor had his ATV idoling by the side of his house, as he went in for something before he fed their animals. He hears the thing take off, and some guy is zooming down the lane toward the road. Our neighbor, jumps in his truck, with his rifle, chases the guy who takes off thru a field toward the creek, neighbor just starts driving thru the bean field on the other neighbors property to catch him, and pretty soon that neighbor is chasing after the guy with his ATV. They yelled for him to stop but he wasn't going too, so he was shot at a few times with buck shot. The ATV was found over the side of an eroded bank in the creek bed, There was so blood, and when the police got there, they had to go by ATV to examine the scene. The man was never found. THe blood was either from the wreck, buck shot, or both. BUt our neighbor didn't have insurance and he knew if he lost his ATV his life was going to get much harder. He did not threaten with a gun until he felt attacked. And yes we had people we had to run off our property, but a gun was never waved at them, unless they decided to refuse a peaceful ending. If someone would have entered our house, in the dark, or attacked from the start in other circumstances they probably would be shot.

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In the court papers, Detective Zachary A. Driskill of the Crawford County Sheriff's Office explains that he interviewed Crocker after the shooting. Crocker told him he had seen a man urinating and told him to leave the gravel bar.

Crocker "stated that he told the male that the gravel bar was his property and he did not want him to urinate there and that he needed to leave," Driskill wrote. Crocker said the man refused to leave. Crocker walked back to his vehicle and then turned back and again walked back to the gravel bar. When Crocker returned, men were yelling at him "stating that they weren't going to leave and that the gravel bar was public property."

http://eyeondentcounty.typepad.com/

Hadn't found that one before.

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A ranger should have known that trying to push the gun away would escalate things.

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If the other guy went into the woods he had moved away from public property.
Again, and I don't know how many times I will have to say this I expect manslaughter.

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There is no indication he went down there to kill anyone.

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The killing was triggered by the action of the dead man, you cannot dismiss him trying to take the gun, either away or away from his friend.

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None of this exonerates Crocker but it does change things a little.

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In his mind he was defending himself.

You know this?

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People holding up places think they are defending themselves if the owner resists, so yes I am pretty sure of it.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Back shooting someone who is merely running away with a few hundred dollars worth of property 'has merit'?

Please tell me you are joking?

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Here is a story I feel where taking the law into your own hands hold merit.
We lived on a farm, way out in the middle of nowhere land. We had one direct neighbor who lived right across the road down a lane. Our other neighbors closest to us lived almost a mile from us. A rash of equipment, farm supplies, and ATV burglaries were going on in two counties. Our ATV was stolen twice. First time, it was recovered, by a routine traffic stop and the vin numbers were checked, found it was stolen, and the guy went to jail for probation violation for 3 yrs. 5 months later the same ATV was stolen again! IT was never found. Luckily we had insurance. Both times they were stole in the middle of the night.
Approximately a month later, our neighbor had his ATV idoling by the side of his house, as he went in for something before he fed their animals. He hears the thing take off, and some guy is zooming down the lane toward the road. Our neighbor, jumps in his truck, with his rifle, chases the guy who takes off thru a field toward the creek, neighbor just starts driving thru the bean field on the other neighbors property to catch him, and pretty soon that neighbor is chasing after the guy with his ATV. They yelled for him to stop but he wasn't going too, so he was shot at a few times with buck shot. The ATV was found over the side of an eroded bank in the creek bed, There was so blood, and when the police got there, they had to go by ATV to examine the scene. The man was never found. THe blood was either from the wreck, buck shot, or both. BUt our neighbor didn't have insurance and he knew if he lost his ATV his life was going to get much harder. He did not threaten with a gun until he felt attacked. And yes we had people we had to run off our property, but a gun was never waved at them, unless they decided to refuse a peaceful ending. If someone would have entered our house, in the dark, or attacked from the start in other circumstances they probably would be shot.

Obviously you don't know how much newer ATV cost, try thousands of dollars, not hundreds. I am 100% serious, not joking. What do you suggest someone do, who had already had their home invaded and valuables stolen at an earlier time? Wave at them as they drive your lively hood,(uninsured btw because they couldn't afford it) down the road and Scream " I wish you would stop doing that" Wait 25 minutes for the police to arrive to give them the advantage and send the message "hey you all come on back, an stay a spell again and steal us blind"
This wasn't about someone just stepping on property or pulling down driveways, or smelling flowers, peeing, or simply trespassing, this was about sending a clear message, that your not going to have an easy time stealing someone elses hard work anymore.

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How is shooting in the air and at the feet of the pisser not proof of his intent if his orders were not followed? I am sorry but I cannot see where a man trying to save the life of his friend and grabbing for or pushing away a pointed gun and getting shot in the forehead when the shooter was free and not being pursued or attacked is anything but 2nd degree murder. It was intent to kill out of anger not defend.


" Quote...I just shot the closest one"
Butch

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And there is still $1 million dollars waiting for you if you can back that up under a controlled test.

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How is shooting in the air and at the feet of the pisser not proof of his intent if his orders were not followed? I am sorry but I cannot see where a man trying to save the life of his friend and grabbing for or pushing away a pointed gun and getting shot in the forehead when the shooter was free and not being pursued or attacked is anything but 2nd degree murder. It was intent to kill out of anger not defend.


" Quote...I just shot the closest one"
Butch

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You do realize that even juries have to determine whether intent is proved when there is no confession? The juries use logic and reason based upon the evidence presented.

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And there is still $1 million dollars waiting for you if you can back that up under a controlled test.

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How is shooting in the air and at the feet of the pisser not proof of his intent if his orders were not followed? I am sorry but I cannot see where a man trying to save the life of his friend and grabbing for or pushing away a pointed gun and getting shot in the forehead when the shooter was free and not being pursued or attacked is anything but 2nd degree murder. It was intent to kill out of anger not defend.


" Quote...I just shot the closest one"
Butch