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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 7:49:32 AM

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Again feel free to show this 'decline' in the prison population (not correctional supervision) in the time period under discussion (Nixon to present), should be no problem with all your legal expertise.

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Your figures show until 2006.... mine are not in conflict with yours.

WASHINGTON – The number of adults under correctional supervision in the United States declined by less than one percent during 2009, dropping to 7,225,800 (or 48,800 fewer offenders than at yearend 2008), the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. This was the first measured decline in the total number of adults under correctional supervision since BJS began reporting these populations in 1980.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/corrections09pr.cfm

All the sources I have given have been 2009 and later.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 7:51:54 AM

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Again feel free to show this 'decline' in the prison population (not correctional supervision) in the time period under discussion (Nixon to present), should be no problem with all your legal expertise.

Sure... grins

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpus11.pdf

Note the "Incarcerated" column

Please, feel free to show whatever resources you have at your disposal that these numbers are wrong.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 10:49:47 AM

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You mean like how Dems are able to learn and adapt instead of sticking with the traditional way of doing things no matter how badly that way has failed?

Will then they had better get adapting cause what they're doing isn't working either.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 11:35:45 AM

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Jokes are fine, but there's a marked different between the US Government under GWB and what we saw under Bill Clinton and Barak Obama.

I've lived under all of these Presidents, and from the standpoint of the average citizen, I haven't really seen much difference at all, let alone a "marked" difference.

You didn't notice the years of prosperity under Clinton?

Prosperity is fluid. Under any administration, a few people get rich, most people don't. People said there was a lot of prosperity under Reagan and his trickle-down economics (which showed no marked difference under Clinton), but for most people, it didn't mean a damn thing.

Which is why there is no effective difference between the parties at the top. The rich get richer, and the poor get prison.

I would agree. I'm not denying that there are some differences between the parties at the top, but these differences only seem to mean something to those who are already at the top. For those closer to the bottom, these differences are meaningless, at least when it comes to party politics having any effect on their lives. Maybe in the past, during certain periods of reform and progress in our history, party differences might have actually meant something. However, I would also attribute that to key individual leaders of great stature who have been able to rise above the rabble in their actual political parties. But I don't think we've really had anyone like that, not in my lifetime anyway. I was born when LBJ was President, and I've lived under Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Jr., and now Obama.

I think I probably grew up more sympathetic to the blue-collar Democrats. My grandfather was a lifelong Democrat, a big fan of FDR and JFK, and always said "The Republicans are just for the rich, but the Democrats are for the working man." I believed that as well, but I don't any longer. I don't even know why I believed it in the first place, but I guess you live and learn.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 3:34:31 PM

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One more time. The topic is administrations.

I asked which Presidential administration had an overall decline in national prison population for that term. Not which *year*.

The truthful answer on planet earth, is 'None since before Nixon'.

Finding one year in which the increase slowed for a moment, is not an overall decline for that administration. Nice tap dance though.

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Again feel free to show this 'decline' in the prison population (not correctional supervision) in the time period under discussion (Nixon to present), should be no problem with all your legal expertise.

Sure... grins

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpus11.pdf

Note the "Incarcerated" column

Please, feel free to show whatever resources you have at your disposal that these numbers are wrong.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 4:43:30 PM

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since youth and crime are verly closely related, if you don't adjust for changes in those age groups, changes are meaningless.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 5:28:36 PM

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Aging out of crime is a factor in the commission of crime. That overlaps, but didn't cause the prison industrial complex boom. Note that even as the overall US population aged, the prison population grew significantly.

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since youth and crime are verly closely related, if you don't adjust for changes in those age groups, changes are meaningless.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 5:35:34 PM

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since youth and crime are verly closely related, if you don't adjust for changes in those age groups, changes are meaningless.

The legalisation of abortion made for a huge change in those terms, but the Republicans and other cunts with a bible stuffed so far up their arse that they can taste it have been doing their damnedest to reverse the positive impact Roe vs Wade had on crime figures during the '90s.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 5:43:43 PM

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The Republicans can make mountains out of molehills but Democrats make molehills out of mountains.

They're both the same. Their main concern is, as Pink Floyd so wisely said, is "Riding the gravy train."

Any differences between them are minor compared to that point.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 5:55:35 PM

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Any differences between them are minor compared to that point.

Not if you're LGBT. Or an environmentalist. Or unable to afford health care. Or concerned about the composition of the Supreme Court.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 6:02:15 PM

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I second your thoughts on the matter and add: if you want competent regulators you need a party that believes in government, not a party that wants to dismantle it. Agencies like the SEC, EPA, and others function better under DEM control.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 6:30:50 PM

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I second your thoughts on the matter and add: if you want competent regulators you need a party that believes in government, not a party that wants to dismantle it. Agencies like the SEC, EPA, and others function better under DEM control.

Yeah, cuz, for instance, the Dems did such a great job cleaning out the SEC post crisis.
Ooh, what was that, no SEC employees fired.Not a single one.Not even anyone disciplined (Matter of fact, O nominated fucking Corzine to head the treasury-what a joke that would have been) No one held accountable. No big bankers going to jail. No using RICO to prosecute the banks for, ooooh the LIBOR Scandal, or any of their other clear racketeering practices.
And I'm not saying this to pick on the Dems.

Fuck, Romney lost the election by five points.Think he could have picked them up and won if he had made it clear from the gate he was gonna go after the banks and crush em?
I sure do.
He woulda won in a landslide. The Big O was wide open on that front. Wide fucking open, and neither side mentioned shit during the "hard fought" election.

Because neither side gives a damn. They want to stay in office, keep the cash flowing, keep dipping their beak in the taxpayer trough, raping our nation and appeasing their big money masters.

Yeah, yeah, they may have some minor differences, but compared to that, they all pale.
Shit, watch how quick they get together with their media cronies and crush and potential 3rd party that comes along and threatens their monopoly on power.
We live in a nation where the leaders values have become beyond corrupt, where congress has a 12% approval rating (That's across the board-applying to both parties), where the majority of the country doesn't even bother to vote because they see their vote as useless.

And that sucks.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 6:49:25 PM

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Sorry, which party was it that had an un-reversible majority, and a mandate from the people and used it to pass and sign DADT and DOMA again?

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Any differences between them are minor compared to that point.

Not if you're LGBT. Or an environmentalist. Or unable to afford health care. Or concerned about the composition of the Supreme Court.

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Because neither side gives a damn. They want to stay in office, keep the cash flowing, keep dipping their beak in the taxpayer trough, raping our nation and appeasing their big money masters.

This needs to printed in big letters on every ballot in the country.

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RE: Secret Differences between Dems & Rep. - 7/25/2013 8:12:31 PM

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I asked which Presidential administration had an overall decline in national prison population for that term. Not which *year*.

And... one more time.... this one.

Three years in a row....

You cant dispute the facts....

And I adore proving you wrong.

2009 - decreased
2010 - decreaded
2011 - decreased

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