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Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping the ... - 7/25/2013 2:33:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The House of Representatives passed a $598.3 billion defense spending bill Wednesday, while rejecting an amendment to the bill that would have challenged the National Security Agency’s collection of millions of Americans’ phone records, in a debate that clashed privacy rights against the fight to thwart terror.
The defense spending bill passed 315 to 109. The amendment was voted down 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress' national security experts.
94 Republicans and 111 Democrats voted for the amendment, while 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats voted no.
The showdown vote marked the first chance for lawmakers to take a stand on the secret surveillance program since former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked classified documents last month that spelled out the monumental scope of the government's activities.




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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 2:53:17 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 4:32:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could someone please remind me how the Republicans and Democrats are supposed to be different?

When it comes to funding the Bomb'n'Bug 'Em All Bill, they're pretty much the same aren't they?

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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 4:37:06 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 4:44:40 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 4:46:22 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 5:05:53 AM   
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Oh oh oh and I forgot to tell holland just bought the new joint strike fighters, so I think we support the bill.

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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 6:27:21 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 6:31:34 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 6:37:32 AM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 6:45:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess so, I can appreciate your humor Lucy.
But really if peace is really atainable I am all for it. Even if it means I'm out of business.
I think I turned on a path to peace because I can only stand so much gibberish.
I don't mind if people don't like me.
It's in my nature...
I do like you all even my worst enemies, that's also part of my nature.

One thing I do know the jews are right we are in deperate need of the new Messiah. Cause the last ones didnt stop the wars.

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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 7:12:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The House of Representatives passed a $598.3 billion defense spending bill Wednesday, while rejecting an amendment to the bill that would have challenged the National Security Agency’s collection of millions of Americans’ phone records, in a debate that clashed privacy rights against the fight to thwart terror.
The defense spending bill passed 315 to 109. The amendment was voted down 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress' national security experts.
94 Republicans and 111 Democrats voted for the amendment, while 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats voted no.
The showdown vote marked the first chance for lawmakers to take a stand on the secret surveillance program since former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked classified documents last month that spelled out the monumental scope of the government's activities.


Over the next couple years, there will be 217 races filled with attack ads stating "Representative Such'n'Such doesn't believe you have a right to any privacy" and 205 races filled with attack ads stating "Representative So'n'So is weak on National Security and Terrorism."

On the plus side, it is $5B less than current spending...


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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 1:20:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The House of Representatives passed a $598.3 billion defense spending bill Wednesday, while rejecting an amendment to the bill that would have challenged the National Security Agency’s collection of millions of Americans’ phone records, in a debate that clashed privacy rights against the fight to thwart terror.
The defense spending bill passed 315 to 109. The amendment was voted down 217-205 on an issue that created unusual political coalitions in Washington, with libertarian-leaning conservatives and liberal Democrats pressing for the change against the Obama administration, the Republican establishment and Congress' national security experts.
94 Republicans and 111 Democrats voted for the amendment, while 134 Republicans and 83 Democrats voted no.
The showdown vote marked the first chance for lawmakers to take a stand on the secret surveillance program since former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked classified documents last month that spelled out the monumental scope of the government's activities.


Over the next couple years, there will be 217 races filled with attack ads stating "Representative Such'n'Such doesn't believe you have a right to any privacy" and 205 races filled with attack ads stating "Representative So'n'So is weak on National Security and Terrorism."

On the plus side, it is $5B less than current spending...



Agree on the plus side about this being 5 bill less. Unfortunately OBummer wants to veto it as spending isn't cut $38 bil.
Interestng politics on this one - the repubs were smart to actually pass this out of the house prior to most of the other bills. Overlooked small advantage that approrpiations must originate in the house. And since the dems don't get paid if they don't pass a budget - they actually have an incentive to pass something.

The dems want to defend a bunch of states where defense is an issue that plays well. So places like Baucus's district will be urging small cuts to defense but certainly nowhere on the scale that Obummer wants.

Since the repubs passed a bill with 5 bil in cuts, the dems have politial cover for around that much in cuts, plus a little more. 10 bil will fly, 20 billion won't. So I'm guessing that if it gets to conference it will come out with 13 bil or so in cuts. Which means that the dems will probably request 20 bill, and negotiate up.


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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 2:05:48 PM   
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Could someone please remind me how the Republicans and Democrats are supposed to be different?

When it comes to funding the Bomb'n'Bug 'Em All Bill, they're pretty much the same aren't they?



and the problem for those who believe the pen is mightier than the sword is that they are pushing so many things through so fast and its such a deep maze to navigate through there is no time to TIMELY file complaints with any real substance and bite much less wait for adjudication in any DEPTH in court.

When sheriffs and police chiefs talk like this we are in seriously deep shit in this country.

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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 2:13:44 PM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 2:53:50 PM   
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I guess it's true; some on the left are finding free speech to be criminal these days.

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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 2:58:14 PM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 3:02:34 PM   
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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 3:03:59 PM   
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I wonder how many who voted against the NSA amend. got phone calls in the last 36 hrs. ?


and I wonder how many will die, mysteriously, in the next 6 months or so.



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RE: Almost 600billion for defense, And no to stopping ... - 7/25/2013 7:16:45 PM   
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But really if peace is really atainable I am all for it.


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