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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 11:48:49 AM   
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What Hoover did in the day he (understandably) kept as secret as possible.

Now we have created a new cabinet department with a huge budget for use of the same techniques, if not quite for same purpose of personal agenda.

If the NSA ever even sought a warrant for what they have been doing from the start, I'd like to see it. (likewise Interpol, MI6, Mossad, KGB, etc.) If Google and MS Explorer and Facebook and Experian and TransUnion and Equifax ever sought a warrant for doing what they've been doing from the start, I'd like to see it.

For some reason, it doesn't come as surprise here that some of those who derided those for having concerns about private airport mentally-minimal security contractor personnel strip-searching and feeling up granny now all of a sudden come out of the woodwork to express their righteous indignation! when this same granny has her phone convo listened in on by public security professionals, who apparently unbeknownst to them, have been at it for decades, all with out laying one finger on granny. And she kept her clothes on in any case.

This just isn't the same world anymore.




I have consistently thought both needed to be addressed Edwynn. There is a great quote, but I don't remember the attribution that goes something like

"Any government that is big enough to guarantee your safety is also powerful enough to take it.

This is one of many reasons I am for small government.



Generally attributed to Jefferson

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 12:04:48 PM   
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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 12:41:50 PM   
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Ben Gazzara and Benghazi, what are they trying to cover up?

Incompetence
And the fact that their world view is screwed up.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 12:44:05 PM   
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Ben Gazzara and Benghazi, what are they trying to cover up?

Incompetence
And the fact that their world view is screwed up.


Because elections happen and they don't want to screw up prospects. Its the 24/365 electioneering Mnotter.

All spin, all the time.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 12:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 1:04:29 PM   
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well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

Benghazi happened less than two months before the 2012 election duh

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 1:06:33 PM   
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DUH.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 1:32:17 PM   
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OH, I SEE. WATERGATE WAS DURING AN ELECTION AND WASNT IRAN/CONTRA?

DUH.

Makes sense Nixon was a crook so Obama gets a pass.
OJ means I get a pass if I murder my ex wife.
Doesn't work that way.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 8/1/2013 1:34:42 PM >

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 1:49:02 PM   
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well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

Benghazi happened less than two months before the 2012 election duh

And if the President had called it a terrorist attack and pushed that meme his approval numbers would have gone up as always happens when we are attacked. This fantasy that Benghazi was going to change the election is truly ridiculous.

Almost as sad and pathetic as the fact that the whole F&F pseudo scandal is based off one obscure blogger who started the claim that it was going to be used to ban firearms sales in the US.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 1:53:08 PM   
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OH, I SEE. WATERGATE WAS DURING AN ELECTION AND WASNT IRAN/CONTRA?

DUH.

Makes sense Nixon was a crook so Obama gets a pass.
OJ means I get a pass if I murder my ex wife.
Doesn't work that way.



Well, I dont understand, you say its electioneering, but no magic underpants was elected. Howling at the moon is howling at the moon.

Maybe if you could repeal Obamacare..........


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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:25:14 PM   
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well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

Benghazi happened less than two months before the 2012 election duh

And if the President had called it a terrorist attack and pushed that meme his approval numbers would have gone up as always happens when we are attacked. This fantasy that Benghazi was going to change the election is truly ridiculous.

Almost as sad and pathetic as the fact that the whole F&F pseudo scandal is based off one obscure blogger who started the claim that it was going to be used to ban firearms sales in the US.

And you forget, as usual that just before it came to light two Senators proposed new gun control based on......American guns going into Mexico.
You forget get that this was right after Hillary stood on the border and announced the Mexican crime rate was caused by American gun laws.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:34:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

OH, I SEE. WATERGATE WAS DURING AN ELECTION AND WASNT IRAN/CONTRA?

DUH.

Makes sense Nixon was a crook so Obama gets a pass.
OJ means I get a pass if I murder my ex wife.
Doesn't work that way.



Well, I dont understand, you say its electioneering, but no magic underpants was elected. Howling at the moon is howling at the moon.

Maybe if you could repeal Obamacare..........


lol
You will note, if you check, I said the whole thing sprang from the administrations wrongheaded view of the Mideast they couldn't accept that even if we helped them they would still want to kill us. It became not an admission of a screw up but an admission that their whole world view so they desperately looked for a way to make it something we brought on ourselves. They actually convinced themselves that it was a righteous reaction to a stupid online movie. The sad part is they bought their own lie.
This is why they took no precautions, they "knew" it couldn't happen.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know what you said, and since I dont even begin to buy your assumptions, I dont buy your deal.

Since you are an insider to the political and diplomatic intrigue, I will let you blather on, but it dont gotta mean you know the truth of everything that went on, nor do they nor anyone.

But the electioneering on this is strictly from the right wing frothing blathbitches. Still going on about it for fucks sake.

But in reality, there was an incident and some people died, and very little could be done.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:43:26 PM   
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I know what you said, and since I dont even begin to buy your assumptions, I dont buy your deal.

Since you are an insider to the political and diplomatic intrigue, I will let you blather on, but it dont gotta mean you know the truth of everything that went on, nor do they nor anyone.

But the electioneering on this is strictly from the right wing frothing blathbitches. Still going on about it for fucks sake.

But in reality, there was an incident and some people died, and very little could be done.

They were warned
They took no precautions
They lied
If you knew my position why did you claim it was something else

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		They were or were not warned.
They took no precautions? What the fuck lets hang every swinging dick in Haliburton.
The nutsuckers in congress, not them.
I never claimed your position was shit.


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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:49:48 PM   
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They were or were not warned.
They took no precautions? What the fuck lets hang every swinging dick in Haliburton.
The nutsuckers in congress, not them.
I never claimed your position was shit.


This post is reminiscent of a small child putting their fingers in their ears and going la la la la la
Congress claimed for two weeks that it was because of the tape?
CIA told them months in advance that there would be a strike on 911 the Obama defenders keep telling us the couldn't do anything because they didn't even a carrier in the Med that is either a refusal to believe the threat or gross incompitance

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:53:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your posts are far more puerile.

Weren't we warned about 9/11 the first time? Weren't we warned that there were no WMD in Iraq? Weren't we warned that the nutsuckers down in congress were inept and running this country into historic debt? Weren't we warned about W twice, and Reagan twice, and Nixon twice, and big Bush?

Yet here we are, some warnings are given more heed than others, for good and many reasons. If they were given at all.

The rest of your statements are such pathetic asswipe that I cannot bear to comment on them.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:55:35 PM   
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Your posts are far more puerile.

Weren't we warned about 9/11 the first time? Weren't we warned that there were no WMD in Iraq? Weren't we warned that the nutsuckers down in congress were inept and running this country into historic debt? Weren't we warned about W twice, and Reagan twice, and Nixon twice, and big Bush?

Yet here we are, some warnings are given more heed than others, for good and many reasons. If they were given at all.

The rest of your statements are such pathetic asswipe that I cannot bear to comment on them.

So you fall back to my fist wife needs to worry.

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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 2:59:19 PM   
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RE: Benghazi - 8/1/2013 3:06:35 PM   
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well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

Benghazi happened less than two months before the 2012 election duh

And if the President had called it a terrorist attack and pushed that meme his approval numbers would have gone up as always happens when we are attacked. This fantasy that Benghazi was going to change the election is truly ridiculous.

Almost as sad and pathetic as the fact that the whole F&F pseudo scandal is based off one obscure blogger who started the claim that it was going to be used to ban firearms sales in the US.

And you forget, as usual that just before it came to light two Senators proposed new gun control based on......American guns going into Mexico.
You forget get that this was right after Hillary stood on the border and announced the Mexican crime rate was caused by American gun laws.

So? There does need to be new controls on straw purchases and the Mexican crime rate is driven by American guns.

But none of that amounts to what the deranged lunatic blogger claimed.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/debunking-the-fast-furious-gun-control-conspiracy/

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