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The Arizona agent that started the gunwalking program did not attend that meeting and the memo that he received from that meeting did not include anything about gunwalking.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110811

NOOOOO it was started, "On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C."

and while the MEMO didn't say DO gun walking, it also did not say, LETS NOT MAKE THE SAMEMISTAKE that was made in op wide reciever either now did it?


sooo what WAS in the memo, GIT ER DONE!

this QUOTE from the article/link YOU POSTED, "Indeed, according to memos, emails and other material obtained by The Times, along with transcripts of sworn depositions and Capitol Hill testimony, the Justice Department provided the initial impetus for what became Fast and Furious.

In October 2009, officials in the office of then-Deputy Atty. Gen. David W. Ogden, the No. 2 slot under Holder, sent a nine-page memo to supervisors on the border. Called the "Department of Justice Strategy for Combating the Mexican Cartels," it specifically instructed the ATF to broaden its scope to "identify, investigate and eliminate" the cartels. This approach, the memo added, "ensures that scarce ATF resources are directed at the most important targets."

The memo did not suggest agents purposely allow illegal purchasers to walk away with guns, and Justice Department officials insist they never approved the "operational" concept for Fast and Furious. Nevertheless, the ATF viewed the memo as marching orders

So you agree no political appointee ordered it. Why even bother with the rest of the post?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

The Arizona agent that started the gunwalking program did not attend that meeting and the memo that he received from that meeting did not include anything about gunwalking.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110811

NOOOOO it was started, "On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C."

and while the MEMO didn't say DO gun walking, it also did not say, LETS NOT MAKE THE SAMEMISTAKE that was made in op wide reciever either now did it?


sooo what WAS in the memo, GIT ER DONE!

this QUOTE from the article/link YOU POSTED, "Indeed, according to memos, emails and other material obtained by The Times, along with transcripts of sworn depositions and Capitol Hill testimony, the Justice Department provided the initial impetus for what became Fast and Furious.

In October 2009, officials in the office of then-Deputy Atty. Gen. David W. Ogden, the No. 2 slot under Holder, sent a nine-page memo to supervisors on the border. Called the "Department of Justice Strategy for Combating the Mexican Cartels," it specifically instructed the ATF to broaden its scope to "identify, investigate and eliminate" the cartels. This approach, the memo added, "ensures that scarce ATF resources are directed at the most important targets."

The memo did not suggest agents purposely allow illegal purchasers to walk away with guns, and Justice Department officials insist they never approved the "operational" concept for Fast and Furious. Nevertheless, the ATF viewed the memo as marching orders

So you agree no political appointee ordered it. Why even bother with the rest of the post?

HOW conveniant you ignored THIS PART!

In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force

On July 10, 2009, Burke was nominated by President Barack Obama to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Arizona

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well, Since Ben Gazzara is quite dead, and we havent had birthers on this thread caterwauling like the other tinfoilers, I dont see how it is going to spin any election rhetoric for the rightwing schizos.

Benghazi happened less than two months before the 2012 election duh

And if the President had called it a terrorist attack and pushed that meme his approval numbers would have gone up as always happens when we are attacked. This fantasy that Benghazi was going to change the election is truly ridiculous.

Almost as sad and pathetic as the fact that the whole F&F pseudo scandal is based off one obscure blogger who started the claim that it was going to be used to ban firearms sales in the US.

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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

The Arizona agent that started the gunwalking program did not attend that meeting and the memo that he received from that meeting did not include anything about gunwalking.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/11/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110811

NOOOOO it was started, "On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C."

and while the MEMO didn't say DO gun walking, it also did not say, LETS NOT MAKE THE SAMEMISTAKE that was made in op wide reciever either now did it?


sooo what WAS in the memo, GIT ER DONE!

this QUOTE from the article/link YOU POSTED, "Indeed, according to memos, emails and other material obtained by The Times, along with transcripts of sworn depositions and Capitol Hill testimony, the Justice Department provided the initial impetus for what became Fast and Furious.

In October 2009, officials in the office of then-Deputy Atty. Gen. David W. Ogden, the No. 2 slot under Holder, sent a nine-page memo to supervisors on the border. Called the "Department of Justice Strategy for Combating the Mexican Cartels," it specifically instructed the ATF to broaden its scope to "identify, investigate and eliminate" the cartels. This approach, the memo added, "ensures that scarce ATF resources are directed at the most important targets."

The memo did not suggest agents purposely allow illegal purchasers to walk away with guns, and Justice Department officials insist they never approved the "operational" concept for Fast and Furious. Nevertheless, the ATF viewed the memo as marching orders

So you agree no political appointee ordered it. Why even bother with the rest of the post?

HOW conveniant you ignored THIS PART!

In order to accomplish it, the office decided to monitor suspicious firearms purchases which federal prosecutors had determined lacked sufficient evidence for prosecution, as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force

On July 10, 2009, Burke was nominated by President Barack Obama to serve as the United States Attorney for the District of Arizona

This isn't the W administration. The Obama White House does not give marching orders to US Attorneys.

Further do you not understand time? If F&F started in October 2009 then a USA's involvement in January 2010 does not prove he or any other appointee ordered it.

You need to start thinking and stop believing every dumbass conspiracy theory.

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maybe you can explain what the diffeance between ordering it and given legal backing is?

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maybe you can explain what the diffeance between ordering it and given legal backing is?

In this case it is that ordering would have occurred in October 2009 which we know didn't happen.
What the US Attorney did in January 2010 was support an operation already underway.

Do you cons really think if there was a single shred of evidence that Issa et al wouldn't still be subpoenaing people and trying to get people prosecuted? All he got was a USA who resigned. No indictments not even the hint of one.

To be blunt you are desperate to find something this administration has done wrong for reasons I will resist speculating on.

Although I will once again remind readers of the fact that no Obama appointee has even been indicted for any official act while by this time in the W administration multiple convictions had been obtained against W appointees.

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maybe you can explain what the diffeance between ordering it and given legal backing is?

In this case it is that ordering would have occurred in October 2009 which we know didn't happen.
What the US Attorney did in January 2010 was support an operation already underway.

Do you cons really think if there was a single shred of evidence that Issa et al wouldn't still be subpoenaing people and trying to get people prosecuted? All he got was a USA who resigned. No indictments not even the hint of one.

To be blunt you are desperate to find something this administration has done wrong for reasons I will resist speculating on.

Although I will once again remind readers of the fact that no Obama appointee has even been indicted for any official act while by this time in the W administration multiple convictions had been obtained against W appointees.

DomKen, last fall President Pantload was telling us he'd "get to the bottom of it," "hold people responsable," etc, etc.
*Nothing's happened!*
How many months since "Benghazzi" now?

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He made mention recently of "Phoney (Scams?") I assume he was lumping in the AP reporter mess, the IRS, the State Dept scandals and the NSA spying on American citizens which we *know* happened and which Pantload has done nothing about!

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Wasn't it just last year or so that he said that his would be the most, "transparent administration?"

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He's nothing but a Bull Shitter!
And look at *our employees* in Washington who should be speaking out on all those things, they're taking the fifth, saying nothing, "no comment."

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If he's not going to do anything about it then the congress needs to appoint special prosecutors and put a whole bunch of people under oath. "Two rogue agents in Cincinati" quickly turned into 98 agents in numerous offices.

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You know people (who we're paying.) are lying.
I don't want people like that working for me, do you?

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Although I will once again remind readers of the fact that no Obama appointee has even been indicted for any official act while by this time in the W administration multiple convictions had been obtained against W appointees.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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maybe you can explain what the diffeance between ordering it and given legal backing is?

In this case it is that ordering would have occurred in October 2009 which we know didn't happen.
What the US Attorney did in January 2010 was support an operation already underway.

Do you cons really think if there was a single shred of evidence that Issa et al wouldn't still be subpoenaing people and trying to get people prosecuted? All he got was a USA who resigned. No indictments not even the hint of one.

To be blunt you are desperate to find something this administration has done wrong for reasons I will resist speculating on.

Although I will once again remind readers of the fact that no Obama appointee has even been indicted for any official act while by this time in the W administration multiple convictions had been obtained against W appointees.

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For the record, I'm not a con either, nor a republican. I'm independent and I have voted for Dims in the past. Not this one. Like crazy Joe way better n this one.

At least he admitted he lied.

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FR -

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.

CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency's Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.


BREAKING>>> GOP Rep: Obama WH Is Hiding Benghazi Survivors AND CHANGING THEIR NAMES (Video)


Of course it will all be denied, sources dismissed, ad nauseum. This reminds me a bit of Nixon. The lid just keeps coming off. It will be interesting to see where this all goes.

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FR -

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.

CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency's Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.


BREAKING>>> GOP Rep: Obama WH Is Hiding Benghazi Survivors AND CHANGING THEIR NAMES (Video)


Of course it will all be denied, sources dismissed, ad nauseum. This reminds me a bit of Nixon. The lid just keeps coming off. It will be interesting to see where this all goes.

Yeah, some republican house member, on some bullshit committees and the National Security committee and Issas felcher, is howling at the moon and so on.

If the CIA was working in Libya, you think you have every right to know what exactly they were doing? You guys cant come up with more than a sonic boom or aircraft that dont exist in the area as ways to have saved the day in hindsight.

And while on the subject, it is ad nauseAm.

it means: to nausea, It does not mean to nauseu.

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Issas should have been apostrophied to show ownership. But you're not paying attention either, and who should on this hysterical, unfounded thread?