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Moonhead -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 8:35:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
Know what, I forgot who the fuck you were with that Orson Welles shit. I GOT THE ORIGINAL BROADCAST RECORDING MF and you know what ? They DID NOT broadcast any disclaimers except at the beginning and the end. YOU ARE DEAD FUCKING WRONG. I HEARD IT MYSELF NOW. They ran it like it was a musical radio show from a ballroom with news breakins, and had commercials that sounded like they were the normal sponsors. I listened VERY carefully.

I don't care what any fuckass wishy washy website says, you are fucking wrong wrong wrong. You want the original broadcast I will make it available for you, but I'm sure you don't want that becasue then you will have to suck Hunky's dick, and fucking swallow too.

Now quit being an asshole about something on which YOU ARE DEAD FUCKING WRONG.

T

I have the original broadcast sweetie, and those are the normal sponsors advertising in the course of it. It's also announced before the ad break that this is the Mercury Whatever Theatre, ie a drama rather than a music show.
But hey, don't let trivial things like facts get in the way of your tantrum.



Termyn8or -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 10:39:41 AM)

Not in any copy I ever heard. Yes there was advertising, but no repetitive disclaimers. Where did you get your copy ? In fact put it up so I can compare. This is not getting settled without the evidence.

There is also the fact that SOMEONE has been harping on it for at least a fucking YEAR. Is your life that fucking empty ? Remember, YOU brought it up this time around.

Put up the file, I'll either give you my email or you can put it in dropbox or something, even upload it to youtube. Then just produce the time indeces at which these supposed disclaimers occur.

Put up or shut up. I have the file, do you ? Or are you just going by what some website says about it ? Have you listened to it YOURSELF in its entirety ? If so, produce the real evidence, not a fucking link. (unless it is to an audio file)

T^T

ETA : the length is fifty five minutes and fifty nine seconds



Moonhead -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 10:47:41 AM)

From a full transcript that can be found here.


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ANNOUNCER: You are listening to a CBS presentation of Orson Welles and the Mercury Theatre on the Air in an original dramatization of The War of the Worlds by H. G. Wells. The performance will continue after a brief intermission. This is the Columbia . . . Broadcasting System.

MUSIC

Leading in to the advert break.

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Orson Welles: This is Orson Welles, ladies and gentlemen, out of character to assure you that The War of The Worlds has no further significance than as the holiday offering it was intended to be. The Mercury Theatre's own radio version of dressing up in a sheet and jumping out of a bush and saying Boo! Starting now, we couldn't soap all your windows and steal all your garden gates by tomorrow night. . . so we did the best next thing. We annihilated the world before your very ears, and utterly destroyed the C. B. S. You will be relieved, I hope, to learn that we didn't mean it, and that both institutions are still open for business. So goodbye everybody, and remember the terrible lesson you learned tonight. That grinning, glowing, globular invader of your living room is an inhabitant of the pumpkin patch, and if your doorbell rings and nobody's there, that was no Martian. . .it's Hallowe'en.

(MERCURY THEATRE THEME UP FULL, THEN DOWN)

Announcer: Tonight the Columbia Broadcasting System and its affiliated stations coast-to-coast have brought you The War of the Worlds, by H. G. Wells, the seventeenth in its weekly series of dramatic broadcasts featuring Orson Welles and the Mercury Theatre on the Air. Next week we present a dramatization of three famous short stories. This is the Columbia Broadcasting System.

Welles' final disclaimer before the final announcement.

Now, which recording have you heard that doesn't feature either chunk of dialogue?



SilverMark -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 11:04:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

It's illegal to do so without a permit, with a permit it is entirely legal. It is well within the right of the state, the county or a municipality to require a permit, they also require permits for certain types of games within a bar, the guy simply needs to buy the damn permit, and in Indiana, don't fuck with the Alcoholic Beverage Commission or you will simply not own a bar at all!(yep, they can close your ass down)



yeh ok we get that thats "the way its done", now prove either the county state or feds or international have jurisdiction.


State codes are indeed legal, you'd think someone who is continually trying so hard to display your outhouse legalese might understand how legislation works, and the right of a legislature to pass laws and that hey be enforced. Not too far a stretch for you is it?



Termyn8or -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 11:43:22 AM)

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Now, which recording have you heard that doesn't feature either chunk of dialogue?


First of all a transcript is not original. Second of all, you didn't transcribe it yourself did you ? But regardless, in the next couple days I will find it on the other harddrive and upload it to dropbox. There will be a link.

To believe you, I will have to hear the original. I will have to hear the same announcer's voices, understand ? A transcript proves nothing. If indeed it comes out that the file I have has been edited, then and only then will I stand corrected. Logically though, this file is going to have to exceed 55:59 in duration.

Now back to the normally scheduled bullshit. this will be resolved when it is.

No other bullshit counts now, until the original file is retrieved.

T^T



graceadieu -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 10:12:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark

It's illegal to do so without a permit, with a permit it is entirely legal. It is well within the right of the state, the county or a municipality to require a permit, they also require permits for certain types of games within a bar, the guy simply needs to buy the damn permit, and in Indiana, don't fuck with the Alcoholic Beverage Commission or you will simply not own a bar at all!(yep, they can close your ass down)



yeh ok we get that thats "the way its done", now prove either the county state or feds or international have jurisdiction.


State codes are indeed legal, you'd think someone who is continually trying so hard to display your outhouse legalese might understand how legislation works, and the right of a legislature to pass laws and that hey be enforced. Not too far a stretch for you is it?


I have him on "hide", so I didn't see that and won't see his reply, but I very much agree. Jurisdictions have broad authority to regulate the businesses that operate within their jurisdiction.

Now, it's reasonable to argue that the state's laws regulating and taxing businesses are excessively burdensome or unnecessary - I know when we started our business we had to go through a lot of pointless red tape at the county level to get our Use & Occupancy permit - but it's not reasonable to argue that the state doesn't have the jurisdiction to make laws governing what happens in the state.



Termyn8or -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 10:21:44 PM)

It is perfectly reasonable for a fire marshall to inspect a place where there will be public gatherings for any purpose, examine the layout and seating arraingements as well as the placement and number of the exits and come up with a maximum occupancy number which should be obeyed.

Now for a moment disregarding the fact that people who use pyrotechnics indoors should not be allowed to spread their Darwin award around to the masses who gather in such places, it has absolutely nothing to do with music.

This is plain and simple a revenue generator. Either by fees of fines, they want your money.

If you think for one minute that the government has your well being at heart, I could refer you to countless examples that prove otherwise conclusively. Do you have a few weeks to spare ?

T^T



tazzygirl -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 10:52:22 PM)

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This is plain and simple a revenue generator. Either by fees of fines, they want your money.


Its also a safety issue. Restaurants already have a maximum capacity. Add in a band and that number goes up.



metamorfosis -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 11:03:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
It is perfectly reasonable for a fire marshall to inspect a place where there will be public gatherings for any purpose, examine the layout and seating arraingements as well as the placement and number of the exits and come up with a maximum occupancy number which should be obeyed...it has absolutely nothing to do with music.


Unless it's a zoning problem, as it was in this case: www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/08/live_music_permit_problems.html

The bar in question knew it didn't have the permit it needed and then got nailed for having live music. The bar's application for a permit was apparently rejected for zoning reasons.

"...Ryan Berni, the mayor's spokesman, said the administration is simply increasing enforcement across the boards on laws already on the books...'Live music is important to us, and it's an important economic driver for this city,' Berni said. 'It just needs to match the zoning of the neighborhood.' "

Although I'm not familiar with zoning, I imagine it deals with things like traffic flow and noise level in the neighborhood.

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This is plain and simple a revenue generator. Either by fees of fines, they want your money.


That's certainly possible, depending on the reasons for the sudden crackdown. The bar had apparently been playing live music for years.




Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/28/2013 11:57:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: graceadieu


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ORIGINAL: SilverMark


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

It's illegal to do so without a permit, with a permit it is entirely legal. It is well within the right of the state, the county or a municipality to require a permit, they also require permits for certain types of games within a bar, the guy simply needs to buy the damn permit, and in Indiana, don't fuck with the Alcoholic Beverage Commission or you will simply not own a bar at all!(yep, they can close your ass down)



yeh ok we get that thats "the way its done", now prove either the county state or feds or international have jurisdiction.


State codes are indeed legal, you'd think someone who is continually trying so hard to display your outhouse legalese might understand how legislation works, and the right of a legislature to pass laws and that hey be enforced. Not too far a stretch for you is it?


I have him on "hide", so I didn't see that and won't see his reply, but I very much agree. Jurisdictions have broad authority to regulate the businesses that operate within their jurisdiction.

Now, it's reasonable to argue that the state's laws regulating and taxing businesses are excessively burdensome or unnecessary - I know when we started our business we had to go through a lot of pointless red tape at the county level to get our Use & Occupancy permit - but it's not reasonable to argue that the state doesn't have the jurisdiction to make laws governing what happens in the state.



nice circular argument, if thats the best you can do, my posts are far too advanced for your ballgame.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:04:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: SilverMark

It's illegal to do so without a permit, with a permit it is entirely legal. It is well within the right of the state, the county or a municipality to require a permit, they also require permits for certain types of games within a bar, the guy simply needs to buy the damn permit, and in Indiana, don't fuck with the Alcoholic Beverage Commission or you will simply not own a bar at all!(yep, they can close your ass down)



yeh ok we get that thats "the way its done", now prove either the county state or feds or international have jurisdiction.


State codes are indeed legal, you'd think someone who is continually trying so hard to display your outhouse legalese might understand how legislation works, and the right of a legislature to pass laws and that hey be enforced. Not too far a stretch for you is it?


Any dictatorial government of any variety of flavors can pass laws and enforce them. You know like the patriot act? How about when they locked up the Japanese Americans destroying their homes businesses and lives. Waco? ...and magically it was all nice and leego.

So I have asked this many times, from shithouse attorneys to legislators, here, and now you;

what "FACTS and evidence" do you have that proves ANY of these constitutions or municipal charters apply to me.

I dont want to hear about someone with a leaky diaper standing on their soapbox making declarations, opinions and spewing circular "thats the way it is" captain obvious bankrupt reasoning. I want hard probative FACTS AND EVIDENCE that I can walk into court prove beyond a doubt that they have "LEGITIMATE" jurisdiction over me or my property.

Good luck with that, but I am all ears if you or anyone else feels they have the goods and want to make the argument. See if you can last 10 rounds with me [8D]






ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:20:11 AM)

RealOne:
Let me get this straight: Are you claiming that laws/codes/regulations/etc do not apply to you because you don't feel they should?
Are you trying to say you need not comply with the various laws because no one explained them to you?
Are you trying to claim soverinty outside the Constitution? Your profile says you live in Wisconsin. Are you claiming otherwise?
Are you telling us that you are not a US Citizen?

I'm at a loss as to what point you are trying to make. Laws are laws and as a citizen you obey/comply until such time as a court determines they are unconstitutional.

After reading most of this thread I see it has devolved into the same stupidity that happens to so many other topics. Someone uses the wrong word or someone missunderstands a phrase or the semantics nazis attack and the whole point of the OP is derailed.

If you really want to prove that the town, county, state, and federal governments where you reside do not have jurisdictional authority over you then I highly recommend you obtain a law degree from an accredited school, pass the Bar in your state, practice law for 5 or 10 years, then build your case. If you seek legal advice here you will get exactly what you pay for.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:27:15 AM)

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Let me get this straight: Are you claiming that laws/codes/regulations/etc do not apply to you because you don't feel they should?


Feelings? are you trying to be sarcastic?

Do you understand the difference between "FEELINGS" AND I want hard probative FACTS AND EVIDENCE that I can walk into court prove beyond a doubt that they have "LEGITIMATE" jurisdiction over me or my property.

So SteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeRIKE ONE!

Now if you want to argue the point sober up and keep it between the yellow lines. Your adding 20 strawmen conditions, NON of which you have proven and neither have proven is in FACT legitimate proof of jurisdiction only your beliefs, which demonstrates your weakness.

Prove the jurisdiction exists and there are many people here lawfully that do not meet your boilerplate scenario.





ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:34:28 AM)

Once more, with feeling:

If you really want to prove that the town, county, state, and federal governments where you reside do not have jurisdictional authority over you then I highly recommend you obtain a law degree from an accredited school, pass the Bar in your state, practice law for 5 or 10 years, then build your case.

Now pay special attention to this part:
If you seek legal advice here you will get exactly what you pay for.

Not only are have you struck out, the ball game ended quite a while ago and you're the last one in the ballpark. Please turn off the lights on your way out.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:38:54 AM)

Have you ever in your life been in court?

You dont seem to get it.

I do not have to prove jurisdiction, (as a defendant), the (court) government does.

I presumed anyone with the mox to engage me on the core elements knew enough and had enough background to understand I was referring to that perspective.

Its just the way courts work, and its just the way it works in this country.

No, nothing I said is offered or shall be construed as "legal advice", I have made that disclaimer several times in several posts.

My posts are directed solely toward legal "education", so do your own diligence.

If you are not up to arguing the FACTS you should have left this sit or put me on iggy squiggy like others who deal in subjectivism and parlor tricks rather than fact.

thats 2




metamorfosis -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:42:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69
After reading most of this thread I see it has devolved into the same stupidity that happens to so many other topics. Someone uses the wrong word or someone missunderstands a phrase or the semantics nazis attack and the whole point of the OP is derailed.


If this thread got derailed it's because people kept poking the trolls with sticks instead of saying anything substantial. For god's sake just ignore him, or admit that you're the one derailing the thread.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 12:44:20 AM)

He has no facts, I agree its his best option.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 1:08:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

It is perfectly reasonable for a fire marshall to inspect a place where there will be public gatherings for any purpose, examine the layout and seating arraingements as well as the placement and number of the exits and come up with a maximum occupancy number which should be obeyed.

Now for a moment disregarding the fact that people who use pyrotechnics indoors should not be allowed to spread their Darwin award around to the masses who gather in such places, it has absolutely nothing to do with music.

This is plain and simple a revenue generator. Either by fees of fines, they want your money.

If you think for one minute that the government has your well being at heart, I could refer you to countless examples that prove otherwise conclusively. Do you have a few weeks to spare ?

T^T



in a police state where the government butts into peoples affairs yes that is true.

Now in a consenting VOLUNTARY society that does not have armed extortionist mobsters running it, the public reach would require only that a sign be posted on the door where the owner could BRAG that he had the government or SOME OTHER COMPETITIVE agency inspect the place so they can FREELY CHOOSE if they want to enter the proprietors building (or not).

But people perfer the mobster protection racket culture with their monopolies enforced by violence and guns to tell them they cannot play their geetar if they want with out paying the extortionists first






tazzygirl -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 1:13:01 AM)

Businesses lie. ~shrugs~ No more or less than people or the government. We tried letting businesses act with some semblance of integrity... they were extremely lacking.



Real0ne -> RE: The Department of Homeland Security says it is illegal to freely play music in The United States. (7/29/2013 1:19:32 AM)

thats the problem with government is that they are out of control with no integrity.

The only requirement should be information. Nothing more. Not volumes of fucking positive bullshit extortion code.

Not one damn drug should be illegal, it is all a violation of rights and set up as a nothing more than a government extortion racket in the name of saving money and expedience, when its all bullshit and redirects the flow of money with increased revenues to the government. Shit we would be better off with al capone, there is no "substantial" difference after all.



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